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Post by genghis99 on Jan 11, 2006 14:12:51 GMT -5
A couple of years back the Cats were told by Pineault that he wasn't going to play in the Q... but they drafted him anyways.
Once he was drafted by Columbus... they made him come here (with a lot of drama).
Teams and players have been so dishonest before drafts that the Cats chose to pick him anyways. I'm sure they figured he also had a backroom deal with another team to go there if they had passed up on him.
I also don't know what the solution is... but the current system should cause the league to be embarrassed!
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Post by tye on Jan 11, 2006 14:14:45 GMT -5
you know these boys are young there seeing this all over . so they are hopin on the wagon . if it is not controlled now look to the future for more problems ie eric lindros
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Post by duffman on Jan 11, 2006 14:26:43 GMT -5
Even if you know that a player will not play for your team and you think he is bluffing about the NCAA option. You can always draft them and trade them.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 11, 2006 14:30:19 GMT -5
Even if you know that a player will not play for your team and you think he is bluffing about the NCAA option. You can always draft them and trade them. No guarantees that you will break even in that deal ... and then you don't have a 1st round player to develop for the future. Might as well just draft the best player that will report ... less risky.
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Post by duffman on Jan 11, 2006 14:35:05 GMT -5
Even if you know that a player will not play for your team and you think he is bluffing about the NCAA option. You can always draft them and trade them. No guarantees that you will break even in that deal ... and then you don't have a 1st round player to develop for the future. Might as well just draft the best player that will report ... less risky. Absolutely less risky...but I think in teh case of some special players like an Esposito or if a Crosby comes down the pipe again I would be tempted to gamble.
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Post by chootoi on Jan 11, 2006 14:42:29 GMT -5
Even if you know that a player will not play for your team and you think he is bluffing about the NCAA option. You can always draft them and trade them. No guarantees that you will break even in that deal ... and then you don't have a 1st round player to develop for the future. Might as well just draft the best player that will report ... less risky. what if you did this. have the players declare if their intention is NCAA/QMJHL by signing whatever they need to sign. players drafted as usual. then you can trade these players rights for picks only or another player who is designated as "NCAA". if the player ends up reporting aftwerwards, the pick is automatically upgraded accordingly. would that work? of course it's no gurantee that you'd get back what you lost but it's better than getting boned completely. i'm thinking that in the case of yandle, he wouldn't go to gatineau, we pay a 5th for him, he reports, the 5th turns into a 1st or 2nd or whatever.
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Post by tye on Jan 11, 2006 15:08:37 GMT -5
i think if a # 1 pick says hes going to the ncaa and then goes to the q to the team with the highest back door bid the team that had first pick should be compensated with a dollar amount. look at the money rimouski pulled in off crosby richards etc hit the owners where it hurts there pockets lets face it there are only a few teams causing the problem and year after year the league turns the blind eye
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 11, 2006 15:17:22 GMT -5
What needs to happen is for the owners to get together and all agree to say fuck you to the players and the parents that makes these stupid decisions for them.............make it a "you play for me, or you don't play at all" deal, and within a couple years, this crap wouldn't be happening. this is what Sawyer did to Bathurst a couple years ago........I would have told him to sit home and enjoy midget.
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Post by chootoi on Jan 11, 2006 15:21:23 GMT -5
What needs to happen is for the owners to get together and all agree to say fuck you to the players and the parents that makes these stupid decisions for them.............make it a "you play for me, or you don't play at all" deal, and within a couple years, this crap wouldn't be happening. this is what Sawyer did to Bathurst a couple years ago........I would have told him to sit home and enjoy midget. and then the Q turns into the MJAHL cause all the top talent goes to the NCAA. it really is a tough problem to solve.
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Post by tye on Jan 11, 2006 15:21:30 GMT -5
right on but look at the nhl the owners paid the high salaries then years later cry hard times i hope this happens to the junior team owners!!!!!!
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Post by Dennis on Jan 11, 2006 15:32:38 GMT -5
Players should have to declare themselves eligible for the draft. That way, everybody knows the intentions of the player. This avoids players picking what team they play for. They are still aloud to ask for a trade if they don't want to play for the team that drafts them. Let's say a team is scouting a specific player in the U.S, they have to ask him to declare himself for the draft and risk another team drafting him first. I know players can still refuse to play if they get drafted by a team they don't want to play for the team that drafts them, but it's still a better system than now. Unless players who declare themselves eligible for the draft automatically lose their college eligibility but that's not up to the Q league to do.
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Post by senators19 on Jan 11, 2006 15:40:55 GMT -5
I think if I had the first pick and a supposed super star was available I would draft them anyway. Then they either play for you or sit out the opportunity to shine in the Q. Yes you would be hurting yourself in the short term but if the teams are not willing to make the statement that you play where you are drafted then the whole draft process losses its validity.
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Post by Dman on Jan 11, 2006 20:03:20 GMT -5
This does need to be addressed in some way for sure, because it is starting to get rediculous and it's only going to get worse. One thing about drafting a top player no matter what (i.e. Esposito) is that you take away a good player from one of your competitors, even if he doesn't report to your team. The downside to this, of course, is if this happens to alot of the good players, then the Q will lose talent to the NCAA ranks.
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Post by tye on Jan 11, 2006 20:16:14 GMT -5
you know the problem is with the owners and there incentives if they went to the ncaa would there be the same problem or do they have a better system in place to control this shit
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Post by genghis99 on Jan 11, 2006 20:48:39 GMT -5
Saint John was in a difficult position this year because as an expansion team... they really needed someone that could step in and help them. Taking Esposito and then having him sit out and go elsewhere would have left them with a huge hole and left their management looking like fools.
They needed product to put on the ice. Can't blame them for being upset at Esposito and Quebec though!
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