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Post by Porkchop on Nov 19, 2006 13:18:29 GMT -5
Well if we go against any wishes of Vancouver ... it would be smart to stay away from any Euros that Vancouver already owns. We went against what St. Louis wanted a few years back (on trading Shkotov or Karsums) and they took Zakharov away and plopped him down in the AHL where he didn't really belong ... he wasn't ready. And they took him while giving us very short notice. There are 29 other teams...and within a few years Vancouver will probably have a new coach and GM. 28.........see above.............and IMO, it is never a good option to lose friends up in the bigs..........Vancouver could have a new coach and GM soon, but those they have now will probably end up somewhere else in the league.......then you have 3 teams out of this same deal that don't like you........never burn bridges...
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 19, 2006 13:21:02 GMT -5
There are 29 other teams...and within a few years Vancouver will probably have a new coach and GM. 28.........see above.............and IMO, it is never a good option to lose friends up in the bigs..........Vancouver could have a new coach and GM soon, but those they have now will probably end up somewhere else in the league.......then you have 3 teams out of this same deal that don't like you........never burn bridges... I agree in part ... but at the same time we can't sacrifice the advancement of our own team to please an NHL "friend" ... a balance must be struck ... holding onto Bourdon is not "a balance".
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Post by Porkchop on Nov 19, 2006 14:48:27 GMT -5
28.........see above.............and IMO, it is never a good option to lose friends up in the bigs..........Vancouver could have a new coach and GM soon, but those they have now will probably end up somewhere else in the league.......then you have 3 teams out of this same deal that don't like you........never burn bridges... I agree in part ... but at the same time we can't sacrifice the advancement of our own team to please an NHL "friend" ... a balance must be struck ... holding onto Bourdon is not "a balance". That depends........the balance could be a 19 year old Euro showing up next year or the year after who puts up 140 points........holding onto Bourdon might not show balance right this instance, but could in the future when you need it to........you don't need balance in a rebuilding season, but you could use it next year or the year after.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Nov 19, 2006 19:22:55 GMT -5
I agree in part ... but at the same time we can't sacrifice the advancement of our own team to please an NHL "friend" ... a balance must be struck ... holding onto Bourdon is not "a balance". That depends........the balance could be a 19 year old Euro showing up next year or the year after who puts up 140 points........holding onto Bourdon might not show balance right this instance, but could in the future when you need it to........you don't need balance in a rebuilding season, but you could use it next year or the year after. What does that have to do with the Canucks? Guys like that go where the money is...led by their agent...just look at Kveton. His NHL team wanted him in Gatineau but he isn't there.
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Post by Porkchop on Nov 19, 2006 20:26:51 GMT -5
That depends........the balance could be a 19 year old Euro showing up next year or the year after who puts up 140 points........holding onto Bourdon might not show balance right this instance, but could in the future when you need it to........you don't need balance in a rebuilding season, but you could use it next year or the year after. What does that have to do with the Canucks? Guys like that go where the money is...led by their agent...just look at Kveton. His NHL team wanted him in Gatineau but he isn't there. If his NHL team told him to play in Gatineau he'd be in Gatineau........If Vancouver's euro told him to play in Moncton, he'd play in Moncton......
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Post by bystander on Nov 19, 2006 21:57:38 GMT -5
Bullshit... They play for the team that drafts them... yes the NHl team may have some influence on they once they are drafted to the CHL, in getting them to report. Who can say that the cats will get the chance to draft a player that Vancouver is interested in and will have some influence over. The Cats would seemingly have every right to Trade Bordon and Vancouver can do nothing about it. They have to do what is right for them. Plus you cant tell me that in 3 years time.. The Cats have a high end player that Vancouver has drafted or is interested and them not putting some influence on them to report to Moncton , if they feel it is the best place for them.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Nov 19, 2006 22:51:10 GMT -5
What does that have to do with the Canucks? Guys like that go where the money is...led by their agent...just look at Kveton. His NHL team wanted him in Gatineau but he isn't there. If his NHL team told him to play in Gatineau he'd be in Gatineau........If Vancouver's euro told him to play in Moncton, he'd play in Moncton...... Obviously Kveton didn't listen. Until a player signs a contract they have very little say.
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Post by Porkchop on Nov 19, 2006 23:22:04 GMT -5
Bullshit... They play for the team that drafts them... yes the NHl team may have some influence on they once they are drafted to the CHL, in getting them to report. Who can say that the cats will get the chance to draft a player that Vancouver is interested in and will have some influence over. The Cats would seemingly have every right to Trade Bordon and Vancouver can do nothing about it. They have to do what is right for them. Plus you cant tell me that in 3 years time.. The Cats have a high end player that Vancouver has drafted or is interested and them not putting some influence on them to report to Moncton , if they feel it is the best place for them. You're right....I can't tell you that......mostly because I have a hard job seeing into the future...........but it has happened in the past and will happen in the future........having a good relationship with an NHL team is a very good thing for any junior team.
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Post by yessir on Nov 19, 2006 23:55:26 GMT -5
If we don't trade Bourdon and our position in the standings doesn't change . we look for a couple 19 year olds and go for it.we are not that bad a team.We could send one euro. home for all we're playing them that makes room for a 19 year euro free agent .I guess we won't know until after the trade deadline then we can all change our opions again
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Post by Milo on Nov 20, 2006 0:42:10 GMT -5
If we don't trade Bourdon and our position in the standings doesn't change . we look for a couple 19 year olds and go for it.we are not that bad a team. ....and leave nothing for next year? People really need to stop taking the standings seriously before mid-December.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Nov 20, 2006 6:58:09 GMT -5
If we don't trade Bourdon and our position in the standings doesn't change . we look for a couple 19 year olds and go for it.we are not that bad a team.We could send one euro. home for all we're playing them that makes room for a 19 year euro free agent .I guess we won't know until after the trade deadline then we can all change our opions again First of all you have to factor in losing Samson...although gaudet and Eagles coming back should help there, plus Mangan. Second, you can't sign Euro FA's. You can only pick up Q FA's put on waivers. I still think now is a good time to sell 2-3 veterans and acquire some blue chip young players. Bourdon Marquardt and A.MacDonlad are guys contenders would pay a good price for.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 20, 2006 8:22:25 GMT -5
I agree in part ... but at the same time we can't sacrifice the advancement of our own team to please an NHL "friend" ... a balance must be struck ... holding onto Bourdon is not "a balance". That depends........the balance could be a 19 year old Euro showing up next year or the year after who puts up 140 points........holding onto Bourdon might not show balance right this instance, but could in the future when you need it to........you don't need balance in a rebuilding season, but you could use it next year or the year after. So getting a 19 yr old Euro for one year is "balancing" out not trading Bourdon and receiving a young star (maybe 2) in the making for 3 and 4 yrs ... plus a high pick ? We can don't need Vancouver's help to draft a 19 yr old Euro.
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Post by Porkchop on Nov 20, 2006 13:13:43 GMT -5
That depends........the balance could be a 19 year old Euro showing up next year or the year after who puts up 140 points........holding onto Bourdon might not show balance right this instance, but could in the future when you need it to........you don't need balance in a rebuilding season, but you could use it next year or the year after. So getting a 19 yr old Euro for one year is "balancing" out not trading Bourdon and receiving a young star (maybe 2) in the making for 3 and 4 yrs ... plus a high pick ? We can don't need Vancouver's help to draft a 19 yr old Euro. doesn't have to be 19....you look at their next Euro pick....probably 18 and suddenly he shows up in Moncton for the next 2 years...........I really don't care one way or the other whether Moncton burns all the bridges with 32 NHL teams.....that wouldn't bother me in the least......
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 20, 2006 13:30:03 GMT -5
So getting a 19 yr old Euro for one year is "balancing" out not trading Bourdon and receiving a young star (maybe 2) in the making for 3 and 4 yrs ... plus a high pick ? We can don't need Vancouver's help to draft a 19 yr old Euro. doesn't have to be 19....you look at their next Euro pick....probably 18 and suddenly he shows up in Moncton for the next 2 years...........I really don't care one way or the other whether Moncton burns all the bridges with 32 NHL teams.....that wouldn't bother me in the least...... 32 ? Are we up to 32 now ? Vancouver doesn't care what Moncton needs ... they drop off an 18 yr old that they just drafted ... let him play here for a year ... if he shows anything special you can be sure they won't hold him back from the AHL the next year. Why would they slow his development ? You are grasping at straws ... all teams ... Vancouver included ... must do what is best for their own team ... within the limits of what they are allowed to do. The only thing that will prevent Moncton from trading Bourdon is if it was written into the deal with VD.
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Post by KBT on Nov 20, 2006 13:43:55 GMT -5
If it were written into the deal with Val D'Or that Moncton can't trade Bourdon then it becomes possibly one of the worst and most costly deals in the history of the Q. We paid a king's ransom for Bourdon and unfortunately we didn't get the best from him. It's not his fault that he was injured and no-one could have forseen it, but he was nowhere near his best when we needed him the most last year. We still haven't finished paying for him yet as Samson will be leaving at Christmas. Bourdon is a highly skilled player, probably too highly skilled for Moncton's needs this year. To not be able to re-coup any of his cost and keep him here in a rebuilding year does absolutely nothing for the Wildcats, Luc Bourdon or Vancouver. The best path developmentally for Luc is to be traded to a contender, it's best for Moncton to recover some of his cost and Vancouver's prospect is playing at as high a level as he can. Keeping Luc here is a lose, lose, lose proposition.
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