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Post by forrest on May 25, 2007 10:58:51 GMT -5
Lewiston goes 16-1 in the playoffs and goes on to win only 1 game at the Memorial Cup tournament.
IMO, Lewiston's talent on paper wasn't that great, but we have to give huge credit to their coach Clément Jodoin. They were playing his system almost to perfection. Of the few coaches that had enough skills on their team to actually give Lewiston a hard time, none of them had the talent to implement a system to work against Lewsiton. Lavigne was unable to adapt his system even with all the offensive he had and I don't believe Pascal Vincent would have done better either.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Dman on May 25, 2007 11:43:48 GMT -5
Lewiston was solid defensively, but seemed to lack the ability to score. The loss of Cliche hurt them big-time and they just never seemed to recover. When Bernier went down after the first period last night, that was the final nail in the coffin.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on May 25, 2007 12:19:13 GMT -5
Lewiston goes 16-1 in the playoffs and goes on to win only 1 game at the Memorial Cup tournament. IMO, Lewiston's talent on paper wasn't that great, but we have to give huge credit to their coach Clément Jodoin. They were playing his system almost to perfection. Of the few coaches that had enough skills on their team to actually give Lewiston a hard time, none of them had the talent to implement a system to work against Lewsiton. Lavigne was unable to adapt his system even with all the offensive he had and I don't believe Pascal Vincent would have done better either. What do you guys think? The 16-1 is a bit deceiving...check the scores and there were a pile of 1 goal and OT games, even against Halifax and Shawinigan. Lewy was not in the class of Moncton or Quebec from last year. I thought they held their own with the best of the OHL and WHL, 1 goal win and 2 OT losses in round robin, but losing Cliche took away their chance at winning. The 4 teams are as evenly matched as I have seen in a long time...out of 7 games so far, 5 are by 1 goal.
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Post by Doublesnipers on May 25, 2007 12:51:49 GMT -5
Looks like a few trades were an order Mr. Stand Pat Lewiston. You all bragged when you won the Presidents Cup (well deserved) about how you were so smart for standing pat during the trade deadline. Well thats only the first hurlde to the bigger show... Just because their lineup was good enough to steamroll this league doesnt mean it was good enough for the big show.
Maybe Clem should have traded a few pieces of the puzzle to make you better for the Mem Cup. And dont tell me hindsight is 20/20 cause we were saying all along you needed some trades, winning this league or not, you went 1-3 in the mem cup.
I was rooting for ya too since you were our representative, too bad really. I realize you had important pieces hurt (Cliche) but thats where the coach needs to have depth to try and absorb that loss.
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Post by CrazyJoeDevola on May 25, 2007 18:41:05 GMT -5
Lewiston goes 16-1 in the playoffs and goes on to win only 1 game at the Memorial Cup tournament. IMO, Lewiston's talent on paper wasn't that great, but we have to give huge credit to their coach Clément Jodoin. They were playing his system almost to perfection. Of the few coaches that had enough skills on their team to actually give Lewiston a hard time, none of them had the talent to implement a system to work against Lewsiton. Lavigne was unable to adapt his system even with all the offensive he had and I don't believe Pascal Vincent would have done better either. What do you guys think? Lewy was not in the class of Moncton or Halifax from last year. Thanks for the compliment Billy! Its quoted forever! I think the problem with the Q top teams this year is the best (potentially) teams were not well coached. CB and VD had average coaching.... whereas a strong team like Lewy had great coaching/preparation/gameplan.... I think with Ted Nolan (as an example) behind the CB or VD bench, you see that team in the Mem cup and probably scaring those other teams quite a bit. Lewy like to keep the games close and eek out wins, waiting for the other teams mistakes. Everyone's pointed out a ton of games in the Q they could have lost as easily as they won... well it was the reverse in the Mem cup... And really, that disallowed goal/no highstick call changed their tourney... then again, they still had the PP when they gave up a SH tying goal... had they won that, instant semi's.... also, had the host VAN won against MH, they were in the semi's also. They did well, played their trademark tight games... the Bernier/Cliche losses would have a big impact on a team without alot of impact players.
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Post by Porkchop on May 26, 2007 6:55:59 GMT -5
My opinion, is they probably would have won a couple more if Cliche had not gone down in the 1st game.......that was a huge loss for them and they still managed 1 goal games and OT games...losing Bernier was huge in their last game as he was a big part of the reason for the 1 goal games and OT games......this was about the closest matched up teams I've seen at the MemCup for a while now, and with Cliche in the lineup Lewy would have been a dangerous team.
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Post by LordStanley on May 26, 2007 13:40:56 GMT -5
Looks like a few trades were an order Mr. Stand Pat Lewiston. You all bragged when you won the Presidents Cup (well deserved) about how you were so smart for standing pat during the trade deadline. Well thats only the first hurlde to the bigger show... Just because their lineup was good enough to steamroll this league doesnt mean it was good enough for the big show. Maybe Clem should have traded a few pieces of the puzzle to make you better for the Mem Cup. And dont tell me hindsight is 20/20 cause we were saying all along you needed some trades, winning this league or not, you went 1-3 in the mem cup. I was rooting for ya too since you were our representative, too bad really. I realize you had important pieces hurt (Cliche) but thats where the coach needs to have depth to try and absorb that loss. How did you make out?? We're just as good 2007-2008
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Post by john99 on May 26, 2007 18:07:30 GMT -5
I hope so you guys lost 4 out of 6 against us during the season!
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Post by mikeb on May 26, 2007 19:01:21 GMT -5
Lewiston goes 16-1 in the playoffs and goes on to win only 1 game at the Memorial Cup tournament. IMO, Lewiston's talent on paper wasn't that great, but we have to give huge credit to their coach Clément Jodoin. They were playing his system almost to perfection. Of the few coaches that had enough skills on their team to actually give Lewiston a hard time, none of them had the talent to implement a system to work against Lewsiton. Lavigne was unable to adapt his system even with all the offensive he had and I don't believe Pascal Vincent would have done better either. What do you guys think? The 16-1 is a bit deceiving...check the scores and there were a pile of 1 goal and OT games, even against Halifax and Shawinigan. Lewy was not in the class of Moncton or Quebec from last year. I thought they held their own with the best of the OHL and WHL, 1 goal win and 2 OT losses in round robin, but losing Cliche took away their chance at winning. The 4 teams are as evenly matched as I have seen in a long time...out of 7 games so far, 5 are by 1 goal. I disagree but what else is new. I agree that losing Cliche hurt them in a HUGE degree. The reason being they had no star power at the forward position. Perron is really good but no better than someone like Marquardt. The only reason they came within 2 minutes of a berth in the Memorial Cup finals was solely because of Bernier. He was the 1st star in the first 3 games they played and deservedly. They were outplayed more than noticably in all three games and even moreso in the 4th game. Lewiston was no where near the talent of the other 3 teams. The only thing that made them close was Bernier. Put any other Q league goalie in there, Pavelec, Blanchard ... anyone and Lewiston is on their way home after 3 games.
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Post by mikeb on May 26, 2007 19:08:47 GMT -5
Looks like a few trades were an order Mr. Stand Pat Lewiston. You all bragged when you won the Presidents Cup (well deserved) about how you were so smart for standing pat during the trade deadline. Well thats only the first hurlde to the bigger show... Just because their lineup was good enough to steamroll this league doesnt mean it was good enough for the big show. Maybe Clem should have traded a few pieces of the puzzle to make you better for the Mem Cup. And dont tell me hindsight is 20/20 cause we were saying all along you needed some trades, winning this league or not, you went 1-3 in the mem cup. I was rooting for ya too since you were our representative, too bad really. I realize you had important pieces hurt (Cliche) but thats where the coach needs to have depth to try and absorb that loss. How did you make out?? We're just as good 2007-2008 < You'll be very good but not just as good. Losing: Cliche, Faubert, Manson (so what eh), Cliche, Korenko, Crête, one of (Castonguay, Tutalo, Giliati, Daneau), Courcelles, Denny (a guess on my part but a safe guess). You guys were not the best offensively and you're taking a big hit going into next year. You think that Tutalo or Giliati will be another Cliche? You'll still be very good and one of the best but some of those one goal games will be going the other way next season.
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Post by Porkchop on May 26, 2007 20:44:34 GMT -5
How did you make out?? We're just as good 2007-2008 < You'll be very good but not just as good. Losing: Cliche, Faubert, Manson (so what eh), Cliche, Korenko, Crête, one of (Castonguay, Tutalo, Giliati, Daneau), Courcelles, Denny (a guess on my part but a safe guess). You guys were not the best offensively and you're taking a big hit going into next year. You think that Tutalo or Giliati will be another Cliche? You'll still be very good and one of the best but some of those one goal games will be going the other way next season. unless they are going to make some trades this year to make up for the guys leaving, they should be fighting for about 4th in our division........
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Post by MacKevin on May 27, 2007 10:08:44 GMT -5
< You'll be very good but not just as good. Losing: Cliche, Faubert, Manson (so what eh), Cliche, Korenko, Crête, one of (Castonguay, Tutalo, Giliati, Daneau), Courcelles, Denny (a guess on my part but a safe guess). You guys were not the best offensively and you're taking a big hit going into next year. You think that Tutalo or Giliati will be another Cliche? You'll still be very good and one of the best but some of those one goal games will be going the other way next season. unless they are going to make some trades this year to make up for the guys leaving, they should be fighting for about 4th in our division........ Yes I'll agree with you there but if Denny returns then a few trades will put them where they need to be. Two years out a peaking team is pretty good. The next trades will hurt their next year rebuilding just like any other team that is going for it. Doing it this year would have made them better in the Mem Cup but took them out of next year. I'm starting to realize what Nolan was doing when he said he was designing a team to win the Mem Cup not the Presidents Cup. Lewiston didn't do that.
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Post by iowzdahchiefs on May 27, 2007 10:50:58 GMT -5
How did you make out?? We're just as good 2007-2008 < You'll be very good but not just as good. Losing: Cliche, Faubert, Manson (so what eh), Cliche, Korenko, Crête, one of (Castonguay, Tutalo, Giliati, Daneau), Courcelles, Denny (a guess on my part but a safe guess). You guys were not the best offensively and you're taking a big hit going into next year. You think that Tutalo or Giliati will be another Cliche? You'll still be very good and one of the best but some of those one goal games will be going the other way next season. We only have to lose Cliche once. As far as 20 year olds that is not a bad group to start the year. The one goal games? Bernier may have an extended stay in L.A. but should be back. He is nor NHL ready. If they keep him that would be a big mistake. Not rying to take anything away from Cliche but as far as the one goal games are concerned we have a system and Mr. Bernier to thank for that. What everyone (or some select few) seems to remember but forget is the MAINEiacs have not made any trades. We still have a full draft board to select this year and some players that could have played on other Q teams that had another year of seasoning. We have still been building while winning the presidents cup and 15 guys that have Memorial cup experience returning as well. I can not make light of the fact that losing guys like Cliche, Denny, and moreso Courcelles is not something the MAINEiacs will have to overcome. It is hard to say what the outcome will be but I can not consider that a disadvantage to other teams out there.
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Post by forrest on May 27, 2007 11:51:54 GMT -5
Lewiston goes 16-1 in the playoffs and goes on to win only 1 game at the Memorial Cup tournament. IMO, Lewiston's talent on paper wasn't that great, but we have to give huge credit to their coach Clément Jodoin. They were playing his system almost to perfection. Of the few coaches that had enough skills on their team to actually give Lewiston a hard time, none of them had the talent to implement a system to work against Lewsiton. Lavigne was unable to adapt his system even with all the offensive he had and I don't believe Pascal Vincent would have done better either. What do you guys think? The 16-1 is a bit deceiving...check the scores and there were a pile of 1 goal and OT games, even against Halifax and Shawinigan. Lewy was not in the class of Moncton or Quebec from last year. I thought they held their own with the best of the OHL and WHL, 1 goal win and 2 OT losses in round robin, but losing Cliche took away their chance at winning. The 4 teams are as evenly matched as I have seen in a long time...out of 7 games so far, 5 are by 1 goal. Saying they were all 1 goal game is a weak argument when you consider that was Lewiston's game plan. Get ahead by one goal and protect the lead, if their opponent score, then try to get ahead again. They were never looking for blowouts ala Rimouski-05 or Quebec-06. I agree when you say they weren't in the same class as Moncton or Quebec. I also don't think they were the best team in the Q "on paper". I believe if Cape-Breton or Val d'Or had a better coach, they would have been representing the Q in Vancouver and probably done a better job at it.
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Post by thedeer on May 27, 2007 12:53:30 GMT -5
The 16-1 is a bit deceiving...check the scores and there were a pile of 1 goal and OT games, even against Halifax and Shawinigan. Lewy was not in the class of Moncton or Quebec from last year. I thought they held their own with the best of the OHL and WHL, 1 goal win and 2 OT losses in round robin, but losing Cliche took away their chance at winning. The 4 teams are as evenly matched as I have seen in a long time...out of 7 games so far, 5 are by 1 goal. Saying they were all 1 goal game is a weak argument when you consider that was Lewiston's game plan. Get ahead by one goal and protect the lead, if their opponent score, then try to get ahead again. They were never looking for blowouts ala Rimouski-05 or Quebec-06. I agree when you say they weren't in the same class as Moncton or Quebec. I also don't think they were the best team in the Q "on paper". I believe if Cape-Breton or Val d'Or had a better coach, they would have been representing the Q in Vancouver and probably done a better job at it. I agree. And then our brilliant ownership goes ahead and re-signs Vincent for yet another two years. Sigh....................
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