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Post by Sec21critic on May 27, 2007 19:32:05 GMT -5
Saying they were all 1 goal game is a weak argument when you consider that was Lewiston's game plan. Get ahead by one goal and protect the lead, if their opponent score, then try to get ahead again. They were never looking for blowouts ala Rimouski-05 or Quebec-06. I agree when you say they weren't in the same class as Moncton or Quebec. I also don't think they were the best team in the Q "on paper". I believe if Cape-Breton or Val d'Or had a better coach, they would have been representing the Q in Vancouver and probably done a better job at it. I agree. And then our brilliant ownership goes ahead and re-signs Vincent for yet another two years. Sigh.................... I thought it was brilliant...... ;D
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Post by Porkchop on May 27, 2007 20:02:12 GMT -5
< You'll be very good but not just as good. Losing: Cliche, Faubert, Manson (so what eh), Cliche, Korenko, Crête, one of (Castonguay, Tutalo, Giliati, Daneau), Courcelles, Denny (a guess on my part but a safe guess). You guys were not the best offensively and you're taking a big hit going into next year. You think that Tutalo or Giliati will be another Cliche? You'll still be very good and one of the best but some of those one goal games will be going the other way next season. The one goal games? Bernier may have an extended stay in L.A. but should be back. He is nor NHL ready. If they keep him that would be a big mistake. Not rying to take anything away from Cliche but as far as the one goal games are concerned we have a system and Mr. Bernier to thank for that. . Bernier is as NHL ready as any goalie I've seen come through the Q in the last 10 years.....he was easily the best goalie in the MemCup....he's hands down better than Fleury when he started in Pittsburgh..........I wouldn't be surprised if he came back, but also wouldn't be surprised if he stuck.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on May 27, 2007 20:06:02 GMT -5
The 16-1 is a bit deceiving...check the scores and there were a pile of 1 goal and OT games, even against Halifax and Shawinigan. Lewy was not in the class of Moncton or Quebec from last year. I thought they held their own with the best of the OHL and WHL, 1 goal win and 2 OT losses in round robin, but losing Cliche took away their chance at winning. The 4 teams are as evenly matched as I have seen in a long time...out of 7 games so far, 5 are by 1 goal. Saying they were all 1 goal game is a weak argument when you consider that was Lewiston's game plan. Get ahead by one goal and protect the lead, if their opponent score, then try to get ahead again. They were never looking for blowouts ala Rimouski-05 or Quebec-06. I agree when you say they weren't in the same class as Moncton or Quebec. I also don't think they were the best team in the Q "on paper". I believe if Cape-Breton or Val d'Or had a better coach, they would have been representing the Q in Vancouver and probably done a better job at it. It's their gameplan because they are not a dominant team...it caught up to them in Vancouver.
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Post by mikeb on May 28, 2007 6:26:52 GMT -5
< You'll be very good but not just as good. Losing: Cliche, Faubert, Manson (so what eh), Cliche, Korenko, Crête, one of (Castonguay, Tutalo, Giliati, Daneau), Courcelles, Denny (a guess on my part but a safe guess). You guys were not the best offensively and you're taking a big hit going into next year. You think that Tutalo or Giliati will be another Cliche? You'll still be very good and one of the best but some of those one goal games will be going the other way next season. We only have to lose Cliche once. As far as 20 year olds that is not a bad group to start the year. The one goal games? Bernier may have an extended stay in L.A. but should be back. He is nor NHL ready. If they keep him that would be a big mistake. Not rying to take anything away from Cliche but as far as the one goal games are concerned we have a system and Mr. Bernier to thank for that. What everyone (or some select few) seems to remember but forget is the MAINEiacs have not made any trades. We still have a full draft board to select this year and some players that could have played on other Q teams that had another year of seasoning. We have still been building while winning the presidents cup and 15 guys that have Memorial cup experience returning as well. I can not make light of the fact that losing guys like Cliche, Denny, and moreso Courcelles is not something the MAINEiacs will have to overcome. It is hard to say what the outcome will be but I can not consider that a disadvantage to other teams out there. Since 1999 only one team has won the President's Cup in consecutive years. It's not impossible but really tough. And there has not been repeat winners of the Johnnie Rougeau Trophy (reg season champs) since 1998. Being a repeat winner is really tough.
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Post by mikeb on May 28, 2007 6:31:35 GMT -5
< You'll be very good but not just as good. Losing: Cliche, Faubert, Manson (so what eh), Cliche, Korenko, Crête, one of (Castonguay, Tutalo, Giliati, Daneau), Courcelles, Denny (a guess on my part but a safe guess). You guys were not the best offensively and you're taking a big hit going into next year. You think that Tutalo or Giliati will be another Cliche? You'll still be very good and one of the best but some of those one goal games will be going the other way next season. We only have to lose Cliche once. As far as 20 year olds that is not a bad group to start the year. The one goal games? Bernier may have an extended stay in L.A. but should be back. He is nor NHL ready. If they keep him that would be a big mistake. Not rying to take anything away from Cliche but as far as the one goal games are concerned we have a system and Mr. Bernier to thank for that. What everyone (or some select few) seems to remember but forget is the MAINEiacs have not made any trades. We still have a full draft board to select this year and some players that could have played on other Q teams that had another year of seasoning. We have still been building while winning the presidents cup and 15 guys that have Memorial cup experience returning as well. I can not make light of the fact that losing guys like Cliche, Denny, and moreso Courcelles is not something the MAINEiacs will have to overcome. It is hard to say what the outcome will be but I can not consider that a disadvantage to other teams out there. Lewiston doesn't trade much so that might be a minor factor. Whereas if Hfx decides to trade for someone like Marchand and a decent goalie, then they have made up the ground between you and them.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on May 28, 2007 7:18:37 GMT -5
We only have to lose Cliche once. As far as 20 year olds that is not a bad group to start the year. The one goal games? Bernier may have an extended stay in L.A. but should be back. He is nor NHL ready. If they keep him that would be a big mistake. Not rying to take anything away from Cliche but as far as the one goal games are concerned we have a system and Mr. Bernier to thank for that. What everyone (or some select few) seems to remember but forget is the MAINEiacs have not made any trades. We still have a full draft board to select this year and some players that could have played on other Q teams that had another year of seasoning. We have still been building while winning the presidents cup and 15 guys that have Memorial cup experience returning as well. I can not make light of the fact that losing guys like Cliche, Denny, and moreso Courcelles is not something the MAINEiacs will have to overcome. It is hard to say what the outcome will be but I can not consider that a disadvantage to other teams out there. Since 1999 only one team has won the President's Cup in consecutive years. It's not impossible but really tough. And there has not been repeat winners of the Johnnie Rougeau Trophy (reg season champs) since 1998. Being a repeat winner is really tough. It's been tough because most past winners have been stacked teams.
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Post by MacKevin on May 28, 2007 7:42:41 GMT -5
We only have to lose Cliche once. As far as 20 year olds that is not a bad group to start the year. The one goal games? Bernie may have an extended stay in L.A. but should be back. He is nor NHL ready. If they keep him that would be a big mistake. Not raying to take anything away from Cliche but as far as the one goal games are concerned we have a system and Mr. Bernie to thank for that. What everyone (or some select few) seems to remember but forget is the Maniacs have not made any trades. We still have a full draft board to select this year and some players that could have played on other Q teams that had another year of seasoning. We have still been building while winning the presidents cup and 15 guys that have Memorial cup experience returning as well. I can not make light of the fact that losing guys like Cliche, Denny, and mores Cornelle's is not something the Maniacs will have to overcome. It is hard to say what the outcome will be but I can not consider that a disadvantage to other teams out there. Lewis ton doesn't trade much so that might be a minor factor. Whereas if HF decides to trade for someone like Marc hand and a decent goalie, then they have made up the ground between you and them. I agree that Halifax could trade for the talent they need but there is something missing there. They already had talent this year but it is wasted. Their record was embarrassing for the team they had who were more interested in playing like goons. Were they poorly coached? was their parental interference? or are they just overrated? I don't know. Marchand plus a goalie is only part of their equation.
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Post by Porkchop on May 28, 2007 8:50:57 GMT -5
Lewis ton doesn't trade much so that might be a minor factor. Whereas if HF decides to trade for someone like Marc hand and a decent goalie, then they have made up the ground between you and them. I agree that Halifax could trade for the talent they need but there is something missing there. They already had talent this year but it is wasted. Their record was embarrassing for the team they had who were more interested in playing like goons. Were they poorly coached? was their parental interference? or are they just overrated? I don't know. Marchand plus a goalie is only part of their equation. Marchand plus a goalie may only be part of the equation, but it is a HUGEEEEEEEEEE part of it.
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Post by CrazyJoeDevola on May 28, 2007 10:08:08 GMT -5
Lewis ton doesn't trade much so that might be a minor factor. Whereas if HF decides to trade for someone like Marc hand and a decent goalie, then they have made up the ground between you and them. They already had talent this year but it is wasted. Their record was embarrassing for the team they had who were more interested in playing like goons. Were they poorly coached? was their parental interference? or are they just overrated? Huh? The Mooseheads? We struggled in the first half, and made a ton of changes, the one with the most impact being trading our goaltender and going with 2 unproven ones, in front of a very young team.
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Post by MacKevin on May 28, 2007 10:22:52 GMT -5
They already had talent this year but it is wasted. Their record was embarrassing for the team they had who were more interested in playing like goons. Were they poorly coached? was their parental interference? or are they just overrated? Huh? The Mooseheads? We struggled in the first half, and made a ton of changes, the one with the most impact being trading our goaltender and going with 2 unproven ones, in front of a very young team. See there is exactly the problem. People in Hal put the Goalies in front of the players! Do they take the face off? I really don't think that is smart.
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