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Post by SteveUL on Jun 30, 2005 10:11:27 GMT -5
Wow Steve, Sounds like you really aren't happy and this appears to be your attempt to get back at me. For those on this board who don't know yesterday Steve was on the Rocket board comparing the skill of our Euro Pick Skorykh to Soucy and Graham. That is right he put Soucy & Graham in the same skill category. And while I might be a Rocket fan even I think that is unfair to Graham but even more unfair to a highly ranked NHL prospect like Skorykh. Anyway I didn't bother to attack him like he did me but I did point out how poor a comparison that was. As for my post here you may want to work on your reading skills. In no way did I compare Korpinen's hockey skills to Bartulis (unlike how you did with Skorykh and Soucy). I indicated that IN MY OPINION both players were in similar situations. Meaning that they are both good hockey players (yes Bartulis is better, no question) who can contribute to the team but we let Korpinen go in order to add some offense and I think you guys were considering the same option if certain players were available. But since you think I am full of bullshit answer me this. If I am not right and your GM wasn't CONSIDERING THE OPTION of drafting an Import player..... 1. why did Moncton wait until 4:30 yesterday (which was around the 35th pick) to trade away their selection. 2. and are you disagreeing with me that it would normally be in the best interests of players trying to get drafted to stay in the CHL. Rather then return overseas after only 1 year. My understanding is that Bartulis had a very successful year in Moncton and was happy and you guys keep playing up how terrific it is for players to come to Moncton in order to be part of the Memorial Cup so why would he suddenly (right around draft time) announce that he wants to leave ? Note to Steve: anticapating you general off topic tangent replies my second comment is not saying that European players have to come to the CHL to get drafted. But generally undrafted players who come here but end up returning after only one year is because their CHL experience was a bust and it generally hurts their draft status. I await your reply Steve Whoa there Sally ... when I made the comment about Graham and Soucy ... I was simply saying the reports on your new Euro reminded me of those two players ... great skill set and size but lack the heart and commitment to show up everynight ... and went on to say that if your Euro could give a similar output to Graham and/or Soucy in his first year then I guess you can overlook the negatives ... as we do here with Graham. As lazy as Graham looks most nights he still can score 30 goals which makes him worth the anxiety. I didn't even realize that you took offense to that comment as I haven't been back to your board since I made it ... I'll pick that up over there later on. Now back to the topic at hand ... Bartulis ... The Russian Elite League pays good money (by European Standards) to anybody that plays in it and the Central Red Army Team is a very prestigious team to play for ... so if they came calling I doubt any young European player would not consider an opportunity. Bartulis was working out with them likely as a means to stay in shape with an elite group of players in the off-season. If they offered him something then he'd have to consider it. He's already been to the CHL ... got plenty of exposure ... been scouted plenty ... so going back to Europe wouldn't be the worst move in the world for him. Playing in the Mem Cup is also a great option ... which he appears to have chosen. 1. As answered before ... Moncton waited until 4:30 to trade their pick because they were likely waiting for offers ... as players get picked teams start to see their options dwindling and may decide to move up in the draft to get a guy on their list. Its simply smart to wait until your pick is due up before dealing it away. 2. See above You guys traded away your 2nd rounder for a 5th ... excellent trade ... not many teams are even interested in 2nd rounders ... but don't try to take credit for it yourself. As for Korpinen ... it wasn't so much a decision to ditch him for more offense as it was him being not so excited to return to PEI and decided to play his "military service" card to bow out. Why would PEI draft a kid that was only going to be around one year if they knew he was considering that? Its clear that PEI hasn't solved the problems that kept Hruska from returning ... Trukhno's skill probably saves him from the same torment ... if he was just average he'd probably go home too ... although there have been rumours that he was staying to play pro ... hmmmm.
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Post by LordStanley on Jun 30, 2005 11:34:51 GMT -5
Lewiston is happy with our 6'6" centre Jakub Bundil.
I can't wait to see him face-off against Alexandre Blais!
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Post by EuroCHL on Jul 1, 2005 3:23:21 GMT -5
I dont think it's that Bartulis wants to stay in Russia, I think it is more his agent than anything else. The year before Bartulis came to Canada, he really wanted to come and play in Canada, but his agent insisted that the best thing for Oskars to do would be to play in the Russian 2nd division. This was a league where he was getting maybe 5 minutes of ice a game.
Oskars will not be on the Red Army's top club this year, they already have 10 established defencemen on the roster, so there's no way that Oskars would knock one of them out of a job. He will be back with CSKA-2. I think it is his agent who wants him to play pro, just to earn a buck. I think if Oskars had his way, he'd be back in Moncton.
As for a replacement, prior to the draft I said the Wildcats were looking at a player and were going to get him drafted by another club and have that team protect him, well the player was selected and has already signed an IIHF card, so we will see if he actually comes over and plays for the team, or stays home and waits for the call from Moncton.
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Post by Not2wonder on Jul 1, 2005 8:11:34 GMT -5
As for a replacement, prior to the draft I said the Wildcats were looking at a player and were going to get him drafted by another club and have that team protect him, well the player was selected and has already signed an IIHF card, so we will see if he actually comes over and plays for the team, or stays home and waits for the call from Moncton. Now that s quite a strategy from the Cats.....................perhaps a good one!
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Post by hockeyfan99 on Jul 1, 2005 8:14:15 GMT -5
Steve you really should stick to only talking about your own team because you clearly don't know much about the Rocket.
Going into last year's Euro draft the Rocket only had one returning defensemen who was only 17 years old. And it was a rebuilding year so the plan was to draft a young Euro defensemen like Korpinen with plans to develop him. But since then A LOT has changed on our back end. We traded for 3 new experienced 19 & 20 yr old defensemen. Last years first round draft pick (Boutin) is ready to play a full year with us and contribute and this we drafted another highly skilled prospect 5th overall in Lund. That combined with other defensemen in our system means that this year defense is no longer our greatest weakness. On the reverse we struggled last year to score goals and we need some offensive help.
SO .... at the end of last year given this need and the fact that we had the 14th overall pick a decision was made to release Korpinen and draft a new Euro forward (which we did). Management informed Korpinen of this at the end of the year before he left, again I will stress that his not returing was Management's decision. Everyone knows this on PEI, the guardian merely spun the story to make it sound like it was Korpinen's decision to return overseas rather then us releasing him. Also since you brought it up, Trukhno was very happy here and is looking forward to returning (especially now as he is friends with Skorykh) the rumour about him only started because he was offered a big contract to play in Europe not because he wanted to leave. And again I want to stress that I really like Korpinen and his release was only a business decision as our GM identified our greatest need and addressed it. Similarly I thought you GM might be doing the same thing as you guys have a lot of depth on defense and (in my opinion) would benefit from a little more top line scoring help as you prepare for the Memorial Cup.
But enough of this, before Steve decide to carry his feud with me over to this board and call me out, my intention was not to come on here and start sh*t. I merely asked what Moncton fans opinion was of the article and was wondering if any fans thought it might have been a good idea to draft a new Euro.
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Post by cbtitan on Jul 1, 2005 8:47:35 GMT -5
As for a replacement, prior to the draft I said the Wildcats were looking at a player and were going to get him drafted by another club and have that team protect him, well the player was selected and has already signed an IIHF card, so we will see if he actually comes over and plays for the team, or stays home and waits for the call from Moncton. Now that s quite a strategy from the Cats.....................perhaps a good one! I wonder which Q team would be involved in that one?
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Post by KBT on Jul 1, 2005 9:05:30 GMT -5
Oskars will not be on the Red Army's top club this year, they already have 10 established defencemen on the roster, so there's no way that Oskars would knock one of them out of a job. He will be back with CSKA-2. I think it is his agent who wants him to play pro, just to earn a buck. I think if Oskars had his way, he'd be back in Moncton. If it's a case of Oskars' agent wanting to make a buck and have him play in Russia, I think Oskars needs a better agent. There are more kids get to the NHL from the CHL every year than there are from Russia. Oskars is a good player and he represented himself very well over here last year, but he didn't light up the league with his magnificence did he? He showed that he's a top quality player but still needs to develop and he can do that pretty well over here while being watched constantly by the scouts. I'll bet that his agents' percentage of a 4th line salary in Russia is considerably less than that of an NHL'er with a good signing bonus. To counsel him to go for the small bucks now is short term gain for long term pain.
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Post by PotatoesRGoodYum on Jul 4, 2005 7:34:04 GMT -5
Korpinen really was not a great Euro pick... he didn't even develop as well as Hruska did the year previous.. releasing him (no matter whose decision it was) to use a high end Euro pick to land a potential star player was simply a very wise move on our team's part...
To keep rehashing the old Hruska problems from his early time here is bush league and pure speculation ... something you are usually above doing Steve
Hruska had a terrible billet and was a victim of some hazing... by the end of the year he was not unhappy here.... however the fact he never got drafted pissed him off.. he switched agents and probably assessed the situation of returning to a team that was going to be pretty bad or staying home and playing ... can't fault him for his decision but I think the early season incidents likely had very little to do with it
Truhkno was always coming back.... it only makes sense for him, I asked your source for some solid information as to why he was so sure that Truhkno would not be back.. he never gave me any... sometimes even the most knowledgeable posters don't have the best information when they're dealing with a team they don't particularly follow
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Post by Dugger on Jul 4, 2005 9:44:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this was actually addressed in the above threads but Bartulis is coming back to Moncton.
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Post by SteveUL on Jul 4, 2005 10:52:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this was actually addressed in the above threads but Bartulis is coming back to Moncton. It has been reported both ways .... coming and not coming ... unless you have an article besides the Nolan article then you haven't added anything ... unless you tell us that you are his billet and have spoken to him this week ... I believe he is coming based on Nolan's comments ... but I'm not sure anybody is 100% certain until he lands at the airport.
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Post by Dugger on Jul 4, 2005 16:52:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this was actually addressed in the above threads but Bartulis is coming back to Moncton. It has been reported both ways .... coming and not coming ... unless you have an article besides the Nolan article then you haven't added anything ... unless you tell us that you are his billet and have spoken to him this week ... I believe he is coming based on Nolan's comments ... but I'm not sure anybody is 100% certain until he lands at the airport. I was speaking to someone who was speaking to him directly and he said he was coming to Moncton, they even joked about bringing his girl friend over to see the place in the summer, beaches etc., (she's only seen this place in the dead of winter) and he laughed saying as much to fact that that wouldn't bode well for his training camp concentration. One never knows but as of right now he is coming.
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