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Post by chootoi on Jun 29, 2005 14:36:15 GMT -5
i saw that and saw he was from slovakia and immediately thought "he's related to chara"
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Post by chootoi on Jun 29, 2005 14:37:04 GMT -5
frolik to rimouski...... fuck off
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Post by Dugger on Jun 29, 2005 14:41:20 GMT -5
frolik to rimouski...... fuck off Where did you see that?
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 29, 2005 14:41:57 GMT -5
frolik to rimouski...... fuck off I doubt Frolik reports to Rimouski.
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Post by Dugger on Jun 29, 2005 14:42:14 GMT -5
Never mind.
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Post by chootoi on Jun 29, 2005 14:44:21 GMT -5
frolik to rimouski...... fuck off I doubt Frolik reports to Rimouski. i hope you're right but rimouski is one of those select teams who is very good at getting guys to report
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Post by hockeyfan99 on Jun 30, 2005 6:21:38 GMT -5
Interesting after reading yesterday's article in the paper I was really expecting you guys to bring in another high profile Euro forward. Too bad because it appears to me that the player that your GM had his eye on was taken before you could pick.
Just wondering what you guys thought of Hodge's article which identified the possibility of Bartulis leaving now that he won't be. In my opinion although it was interesting I disagree with those types of articles which basically announced to the public that Bartulis was expendable.
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Post by catnut on Jun 30, 2005 6:44:06 GMT -5
Interesting after reading yesterday's article in the paper I was really expecting you guys to bring in another high profile Euro forward. Too bad because it appears to me that the player that your GM had his eye on was taken before you could pick. Just wondering what you guys thought of Hodge's article which identified the possibility of Bartulis leaving now that he won't be. In my opinion although it was interesting I disagree with those types of articles which basically announced to the public that Bartulis was expendable. I did not interpret that article as Bartulis being expandable. The way I read it was that having Bartulis was their first choice and if he decided to go to Russian Elite, then the Cats would have drafted someone else.
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Post by hockeyfan99 on Jun 30, 2005 6:55:30 GMT -5
Interesting after reading yesterday's article in the paper I was really expecting you guys to bring in another high profile Euro forward. Too bad because it appears to me that the player that your GM had his eye on was taken before you could pick. Just wondering what you guys thought of Hodge's article which identified the possibility of Bartulis leaving now that he won't be. In my opinion although it was interesting I disagree with those types of articles which basically announced to the public that Bartulis was expendable. I did not interpret that article as Bartulis being expandable. The way I read it was that having Bartulis was their first choice and if he decided to go to Russian Elite, then the Cats would have drafted someone else. Comeon Catnut those types of comments are only made to protect the player. Just like how right after the Rocket informed Korpinen that we were interested in drafting a new Euro Forward he decided that he wanted to return to Finland. Players who are trying to get drafted into the NHL don't normally return overseas after only playing a year in the CHL. And had Bartulis really wanted to return overseas you guys would have released him and selected another player at the draft. Don't get me wrong it is nothing personal against these players it is just business. For us I really liked Korpinen and the only reason he is gone was because we needed offensive help. As for Bartulis I think he is a good defensemen but you guys are pretty deep their and needed a scoring forward (especially since Bernier won't be returning) so your GM was doing the right thing by identifying his strengths (ie. defensive depth) and trying to address weaknesses (ie. adding scoring). Nothing wrong it that it is just the business of sport. But in my opinion I really do think you guys had your eyes on a forward who you missed out on. And right now I kind of feel bad for Bartulis for having to return to a team who has publically announced that he is expendable.
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Post by catnut on Jun 30, 2005 7:27:30 GMT -5
The thing is that if the Cats really had their eyes on someone they would have had to release Bartulis before the draft even started (Monday was the deadline) or trade him (which there was not enough time to do).
I know sometime the team will do some tip-toeing around an issue to protect the player. I don't believe it is the case this time.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 30, 2005 7:45:02 GMT -5
Comeon Catnut those types of comments are only made to protect the player. Just like how right after the Rocket informed Korpinen that we were interested in drafting a new Euro Forward he decided that he wanted to return to Finland. Players who are trying to get drafted into the NHL don't normally return overseas after only playing a year in the CHL. And had Bartulis really wanted to return overseas you guys would have released him and selected another player at the draft. Don't get me wrong it is nothing personal against these players it is just business. For us I really liked Korpinen and the only reason he is gone was because we needed offensive help. As for Bartulis I think he is a good defensemen but you guys are pretty deep their and needed a scoring forward (especially since Bernier won't be returning) so your GM was doing the right thing by identifying his strengths (ie. defensive depth) and trying to address weaknesses (ie. adding scoring). Nothing wrong it that it is just the business of sport. But in my opinion I really do think you guys had your eyes on a forward who you missed out on. And right now I kind of feel bad for Bartulis for having to return to a team who has publically announced that he is expendable. What a pile of horse shit ... Bartulis was invited to the Top Prospects showcase ... and is a projected 3rd round NHL draft pick ... to even compare him to Korpinen is laughable. Korpinen is a soft Dman that has no potential to be an impact player ... and his role can be filled with a Canadian player of the same age ... no point in incurring heft expenses to bring over a player like that. Bartulis is good enough to be considered as a palyer for the Russian Central Red Army Team ... although he'd get less icetime ... which tells you exactly how good he is considered to be around the world ... he is from Latvia remember. The Cats gave Bartulis and his agent an ultimatum to make up their minds on whether or not he was coming back to Moncton ... they needed an answer before the draft and they got it ... he is returning (as clearly stated in this morning's paper) and so we dealt away our first Euro pick as we no longer needed it. Bartulis is our first choice ... he is now a Q experienced Dman ... a year older/bigger/stronger/faster/smarter ... no culture shock this year. Why would we want to get rid of a Dman that was in our Top 4 at 17 ? Those are hard to find. Maybe you should stay on your own board where the level of hockey knowledge is more in line with your own.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 30, 2005 7:52:38 GMT -5
Comeon Catnut those types of comments are only made to protect the player. Just like how right after the Rocket informed Korpinen that we were interested in drafting a new Euro Forward he decided that he wanted to return to Finland. Players who are trying to get drafted into the NHL don't normally return overseas after only playing a year in the CHL. And had Bartulis really wanted to return overseas you guys would have released him and selected another player at the draft. Don't get me wrong it is nothing personal against these players it is just business. For us I really liked Korpinen and the only reason he is gone was because we needed offensive help. As for Bartulis I think he is a good defensemen but you guys are pretty deep their and needed a scoring forward (especially since Bernier won't be returning) so your GM was doing the right thing by identifying his strengths (ie. defensive depth) and trying to address weaknesses (ie. adding scoring). Nothing wrong it that it is just the business of sport. But in my opinion I really do think you guys had your eyes on a forward who you missed out on. And right now I kind of feel bad for Bartulis for having to return to a team who has publically announced that he is expendable. What a pile of horse shit ... Bartulis was invited to the Top Prospects showcase ... and is a projected 3rd round NHL draft pick ... to even compare him to Korpinen is laughable. Korpinen is a soft Dman that has no potential to be an impact player ... and his role can be filled with a Canadian player of the same age ... no point in incurring heft expenses to bring over a player like that. Bartulis is good enough to be considered as a palyer for the Russian Central Red Army Team ... although he'd get less icetime ... which tells you exactly how good he is considered to be around the world ... he is from Latvia remember. The Cats gave Bartulis and his agent an ultimatum to make up their minds on whether or not he was coming back to Moncton ... they needed an answer before the draft and they got it ... he is returning (as clearly stated in this morning's paper) and so we dealt away our first Euro pick as we no longer needed it. Bartulis is our first choice ... he is now a Q experienced Dman ... a year older/bigger/stronger/faster/smarter ... no culture shock this year. Why would we want to get rid of a Dman that was in our Top 4 at 17 ? Those are hard to find. Maybe you should stay on your own board where the level of hockey knowledge is more in line with your own. Good post... to that I would add that for most of the year Bartulis was in our top pair, not just top 4. With an extra year of development physically, I expect he will be among the top defensemen in the league this year (talking all around combination of offense and defense).
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Post by hockeyfan99 on Jun 30, 2005 8:12:18 GMT -5
Wow Steve,
Sounds like you really aren't happy and this appears to be your attempt to get back at me. For those on this board who don't know yesterday Steve was on the Rocket board comparing the skill of our Euro Pick Skorykh to Soucy and Graham. That is right he put Soucy & Graham in the same skill category. And while I might be a Rocket fan even I think that is unfair to Graham but even more unfair to a highly ranked NHL prospect like Skorykh. Anyway I didn't bother to attack him like he did me but I did point out how poor a comparison that was.
As for my post here you may want to work on your reading skills. In no way did I compare Korpinen's hockey skills to Bartulis (unlike how you did with Skorykh and Soucy). I indicated that IN MY OPINION both players were in similar situations. Meaning that they are both good hockey players (yes Bartulis is better, no question) who can contribute to the team but we let Korpinen go in order to add some offense and I think you guys were considering the same option if certain players were available.
But since you think I am full of bullshit answer me this. If I am not right and your GM wasn't CONSIDERING THE OPTION of drafting an Import player.....
1. why did Moncton wait until 4:30 yesterday (which was around the 35th pick) to trade away their selection.
2. and are you disagreeing with me that it would normally be in the best interests of players trying to get drafted to stay in the CHL. Rather then return overseas after only 1 year. My understanding is that Bartulis had a very successful year in Moncton and was happy and you guys keep playing up how terrific it is for players to come to Moncton in order to be part of the Memorial Cup so why would he suddenly (right around draft time) announce that he wants to leave ?
Note to Steve: anticapating you general off topic tangent replies my second comment is not saying that European players have to come to the CHL to get drafted. But generally undrafted players who come here but end up returning after only one year is because their CHL experience was a bust and it generally hurts their draft status.
I await your reply Steve
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Post by catnut on Jun 30, 2005 8:36:36 GMT -5
I'll offer you a couple of possibilities for the answer to the 1st question.
Waiting for a better offer. Waiting for the confirmation from Bartulis' agent.
As for the 2nd question, players/agents like to keep every door open and will look at all the options, many times for more $$$.
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Post by hockeyfan99 on Jun 30, 2005 8:49:02 GMT -5
Well if Bartulis & his agent are so self centred that they couldn't make up their mind about whether or not he wanted to return until the actual draft day then my opinion of him just dropped significantly.
And yes money is always a factor for players. But many players are willing to forego a little bit of short term money (like our Skorykh) for the long term NHL benefit. Again you are making Bartulis sound greedy which was not my impression of him. Does this mean you don't think returning to Russia for less ice time instead of being highlighted as a top pairing defense for the Host Memorial Cup team wouldn't lower his draft status ?
And finally if you were only holding out until the last minute in hopes of raising the value of your 41st selection you guys missed the boat. We traded our second pick (72nd overall) for a 5th rounder.
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