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Post by CatatonicMoose on Jan 1, 2007 11:10:02 GMT -5
I would say that Denny is the toughest guy on the Maineiacs team except for Manson and Bergeron hit him pretty good. All the names listed above are from the nostalgic past. The new reality is that guys like Bergeron are very good at playing a regular shift and shit disturbing while able to face any actual opponents. This is the type of player the GMs now want on their respective teams. Bergeron though can't hang with the Henegen's and Cormier's of the league and has always avoided them. He's been asked countless times but turns them down so no he's not able to face any opponent because he won't fight them. And even when he fought Manson, Manson beat him easily. Take a look at his fightcard, it lacks quality: 2003-04: Ryan Lehr Jordan LaVallee Joey Ryan Patrick Simard Benoit Lessard Pierre-Marc Guilbault (Play-off) 2004-05: Benoit Piché Dominic Tweed Dominic Soucy Maxime Mathieu Maxime Rousseau Franklin MacDonald Maxime Morier Jean-Michel Bolduc Patrick Simard Francis Cloutier (Play-off) 2005-06: Steve Natywary Maxime Morier Brad Gallant Kris MacDonald David Victor Cole Fetzner Travis Mealy Guillaume Mailloux Antonin Manavian Gaby Roch Maxime Mathieu Devan Praught Ryan Graham Maxime Belanger Kris MacDonald Maxime Mathieu 2006-07: Christopher Noonan (Pre-season) Maxime Mathieu (Pre-season) Jean-Sébastien Hogg (Pre-season) Adam Clow Devan Praught Kirk Forrest Brad Gallant Ryan Graham Pierre-Luc Lessard Justin Vienneau Gaby Roch Renaud Des Alliers Andrew Andricopoulos Triston Manson Renaud Des Alliers Chad Denny
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 1, 2007 23:51:43 GMT -5
That's not a bad fight card for a middleweight.........nobody here is asking him to step in every night and take on the heavies.......all we need is the toughness, some good hits and if he drops once in a while, that's all good........it is a plus to have him drop with Denny and do good.....something that we haven't had yet this year..............
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Post by CatatonicMoose on Jan 2, 2007 5:02:13 GMT -5
That's not a bad fight card for a middleweight.........nobody here is asking him to step in every night and take on the heavies.......all we need is the toughness, some good hits and if he drops once in a while, that's all good........it is a plus to have him drop with Denny and do good.....something that we haven't had yet this year.............. That is exactly what he is - a middleweight - not someone who can handle anyone in the league as chsb claimed because quite simply he can't handle the big guys and has never fought them so quite where he got that from who knows. Bergeron should beat Denny. He is a fighter, Denny is not and has fought a handful of times only in his career while Bergeron has regularly.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jan 2, 2007 6:56:56 GMT -5
That's not a bad fight card for a middleweight.........nobody here is asking him to step in every night and take on the heavies.......all we need is the toughness, some good hits and if he drops once in a while, that's all good........it is a plus to have him drop with Denny and do good.....something that we haven't had yet this year.............. That's the whole point, it's ridiculous to compare a middleweight with a former heavyweight like Saunders.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 2, 2007 8:28:48 GMT -5
That's not a bad fight card for a middleweight.........nobody here is asking him to step in every night and take on the heavies.......all we need is the toughness, some good hits and if he drops once in a while, that's all good........it is a plus to have him drop with Denny and do good.....something that we haven't had yet this year.............. That is exactly what he is - a middleweight - not someone who can handle anyone in the league as chsb claimed because quite simply he can't handle the big guys and has never fought them so quite where he got that from who knows. Bergeron should beat Denny. He is a fighter, Denny is not and has fought a handful of times only in his career while Bergeron has regularly. The eastern division isn't loaded up with heavyweights and I'd have to say that Bergeron is probably one of the toughest guys in the east ... no matter what weight category they fall under. He fought Forrest to what I would say is a draw earlier in the year and Forrest is/was as tough as anybody in the Q. The heavyweights this year just aren't that impressive ... if you have a Bergeron on your side you have all that you need in the toughness department.
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Post by gongshow on Jan 2, 2007 9:08:29 GMT -5
That is exactly what he is - a middleweight - not someone who can handle anyone in the league as chsb claimed because quite simply he can't handle the big guys and has never fought them so quite where he got that from who knows. Bergeron should beat Denny. He is a fighter, Denny is not and has fought a handful of times only in his career while Bergeron has regularly. True enough....I know one thing is sure,after watching him play at the coliseum about 4 times this year he scares the living shit out of all the cats players...so I guess he's tough enough to do his job effectively. I think we're lucky that most east teams(except ST-J's)are very weak on toughness this year....our lack of toughness could be exposed alot more than it is.
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Post by tal on Jan 2, 2007 9:48:46 GMT -5
Bergeron was one guy I was sorry to see go in the expansion draft - not saying we should have left someone else off the protected list to keep him, just one of those players one wishes they could keep. That being said - does anyone know if the 3year restriction on players returning to their previous team applies to players who were picked up in the expansion draft? (Got me wondering if we could have tried to get Bergeron back at any time after the expansion).
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Post by gongshow on Jan 2, 2007 10:13:24 GMT -5
Back to the original topic...Kevin Cormier is reportedly going to report to Shawinigan after all and is expected in the line-up by the next game....
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 2, 2007 10:22:16 GMT -5
That's not a bad fight card for a middleweight.........nobody here is asking him to step in every night and take on the heavies.......all we need is the toughness, some good hits and if he drops once in a while, that's all good........it is a plus to have him drop with Denny and do good.....something that we haven't had yet this year.............. That's the whole point, it's ridiculous to compare a middleweight with a former heavyweight like Saunders. Not ridiculous at all........Bergeron is a tougher all around player.......Saunders was a guy that would drop once in a while when he got suckered into it and had to.......and of his 5 fights he did have, he lost 4 of them......
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Post by gongshow on Jan 2, 2007 11:40:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Bergeron is tougher all-around,but it's difficult to compare since Saunders is about 2-3inches taller and weighs in at about 215 as opposed to 180 for Bergeron....that extra 35 pounds is what abled Saunders to take on the big guys.
Along the way he fought Tremblay,Bellemare,Bonneau(several times),Cormier,Legault(Saunders absolutly pounded him),Wenzel,Tidball,George Davis.......pretty impressive card.
Comparing the 2 is stupid...Bergeron is a top middleweight who will fight heavies here and there and hold his own.He is also a valuable 3rd liner who is probably the hardest hitter in the league....also plays in the league as a 20.
Saunders was a top ten heavy who was on a very tight leash(spelling?)because he was considered one of the top d-men in the league....never played as a 20.
The only thing they have in common really is that they are both technical fighters who win their fights that way.
Bergeron wins more...but his card is fairly weak. Saunders lost/drawed more but had a tougher card.
And this is not a rose colored opinion since Bergeron is probably my favorite player in the Q and I absolutely hated Saunders when he was here.
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Post by cbtitan on Jan 2, 2007 11:46:22 GMT -5
I would say that Denny is the toughest guy on the Maineiacs team except for Manson and Bergeron hit him pretty good. All the names listed above are from the nostalgic past. The new reality is that guys like Bergeron are very good at playing a regular shift and shit disturbing while able to face any actual opponents. This is the type of player the GMs now want on their respective teams. Bergeron though can't hang with the Henegen's and Cormier's of the league and has always avoided them. He's been asked countless times but turns them down so no he's not able to face any opponent because he won't fight them. And even when he fought Manson, Manson beat him easily. Take a look at his fightcard, it lacks quality: 2003-04: Ryan Lehr Jordan LaVallee Joey Ryan Patrick Simard Benoit Lessard Pierre-Marc Guilbault (Play-off) 2004-05: Benoit Piché Dominic Tweed Dominic Soucy Maxime Mathieu Maxime Rousseau Franklin MacDonald Maxime Morier Jean-Michel Bolduc Patrick Simard Francis Cloutier (Play-off) 2005-06: Steve Natywary Maxime Morier Brad Gallant Kris MacDonald David Victor Cole Fetzner Travis Mealy Guillaume Mailloux Antonin Manavian Gaby Roch Maxime Mathieu Devan Praught Ryan Graham Maxime Belanger Kris MacDonald Maxime Mathieu 2006-07: Christopher Noonan (Pre-season) Maxime Mathieu (Pre-season) Jean-Sébastien Hogg (Pre-season) Adam Clow Devan Praught Kirk Forrest Brad Gallant Ryan Graham Pierre-Luc Lessard Justin Vienneau Gaby Roch Renaud Des Alliers Andrew Andricopoulos Triston Manson Renaud Des Alliers Chad Denny I don't care too much about what you say because clearly the big heavy weights are gone under the bridge this season. Bergeron is what the new type of enforcer should be, something that Clow could not do....play and body check with the occasional fight against other goons. To me Bergeron will do a better job than any apart from Hennegan,Manson and Cormier, two of which are playing in the other Division.
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 2, 2007 11:56:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Bergeron is tougher all-around,but it's difficult to compare since Saunders is about 2-3inches taller and weighs in at about 215 as opposed to 180 for Bergeron....that extra 35 pounds is what abled Saunders to take on the big guys. Along the way he fought Tremblay,Bellemare,Bonneau(several times),Cormier,Legault(Saunders absolutly pounded him),Wenzel,Tidball,George Davis.......pretty impressive card. Comparing the 2 is stupid...Bergeron is a top middleweight who will fight heavies here and there and hold his own.He is also a valuable 3rd liner who is probably the hardest hitter in the league....also plays in the league as a 20. Saunders was a top ten heavy who was on a very tight leash(spelling?)because he was considered one of the top d-men in the league....never played as a 20. The only thing they have in common really is that they are both technical fighters who win their fights that way. Bergeron wins more...but his card is fairly weak. Saunders lost/drawed more but had a tougher card. And this is not a rose colored opinion since Bergeron is probably my favorite player in the Q and I absolutely hated Saunders when he was here. I agree with pretty much everything........I was just in the mood to get Billy off on another string........seems like there's always plenty of fish in this pond......ziingggggg......PLOP!!....... ;D ;D
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 2, 2007 12:12:50 GMT -5
Bergeron though can't hang with the Henegen's and Cormier's of the league and has always avoided them. He's been asked countless times but turns them down so no he's not able to face any opponent because he won't fight them. And even when he fought Manson, Manson beat him easily. Take a look at his fightcard, it lacks quality: 2003-04: Ryan Lehr Jordan LaVallee Joey Ryan Patrick Simard Benoit Lessard Pierre-Marc Guilbault (Play-off) 2004-05: Benoit Piché Dominic Tweed Dominic Soucy Maxime Mathieu Maxime Rousseau Franklin MacDonald Maxime Morier Jean-Michel Bolduc Patrick Simard Francis Cloutier (Play-off) 2005-06: Steve Natywary Maxime Morier Brad Gallant Kris MacDonald David Victor Cole Fetzner Travis Mealy Guillaume Mailloux Antonin Manavian Gaby Roch Maxime Mathieu Devan Praught Ryan Graham Maxime Belanger Kris MacDonald Maxime Mathieu 2006-07: Christopher Noonan (Pre-season) Maxime Mathieu (Pre-season) Jean-Sébastien Hogg (Pre-season) Adam Clow Devan Praught Kirk Forrest Brad Gallant Ryan Graham Pierre-Luc Lessard Justin Vienneau Gaby Roch Renaud Des Alliers Andrew Andricopoulos Triston Manson Renaud Des Alliers Chad Denny I don't care too much about what you say because clearly the big heavy weights are gone under the bridge this season. Bergeron is what the new type of enforcer should be, something that Clow could not do....play and body check with the occasional fight against other goons. To me Bergeron will do a better job than any apart from Hennegan,Manson and Cormier, two of which are playing in the other Division. And Manson has been a non-event in any games we have played vs Lewiston this year ... unless you count the game where Kelan Herr KO'd and bloodied him. Manson is a waste of a 20 yr old spot in the eastern division ... he might be more value to them if they played in the west ... but in a division where toughness is not a necessity to get ahead he is a waste.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jan 2, 2007 13:03:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Bergeron is tougher all-around,but it's difficult to compare since Saunders is about 2-3inches taller and weighs in at about 215 as opposed to 180 for Bergeron....that extra 35 pounds is what abled Saunders to take on the big guys. Along the way he fought Tremblay,Bellemare,Bonneau(several times),Cormier,Legault(Saunders absolutly pounded him),Wenzel,Tidball,George Davis.......pretty impressive card. Comparing the 2 is stupid...Bergeron is a top middleweight who will fight heavies here and there and hold his own.He is also a valuable 3rd liner who is probably the hardest hitter in the league....also plays in the league as a 20. Saunders was a top ten heavy who was on a very tight leash(spelling?)because he was considered one of the top d-men in the league....never played as a 20. The only thing they have in common really is that they are both technical fighters who win their fights that way. Bergeron wins more...but his card is fairly weak. Saunders lost/drawed more but had a tougher card. And this is not a rose colored opinion since Bergeron is probably my favorite player in the Q and I absolutely hated Saunders when he was here. I agree with pretty much everything........I was just in the mood to get Billy off on another string........seems like there's always plenty of fish in this pond......ziingggggg......PLOP!!....... ;D ;D That's always your lame cop out when you get your ass handed to you.
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 2, 2007 16:51:48 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything........I was just in the mood to get Billy off on another string........seems like there's always plenty of fish in this pond......ziingggggg......PLOP!!....... ;D ;D That's always your lame cop out when you get your ass handed to you. Actually I put the zing plop thing in a post way back in this thread........but fishing was sooo easy I kept on going, and you didn't even see it.......
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