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Post by Cristobal Huet on Aug 11, 2006 12:18:28 GMT -5
"Technically" he isn't allowed to play for the team that traded him for 2 years. Or so I thought the rules stated. But if Moncton is trying to save face and rework the dreal so it makes sense for both parties and Val D'Or goes to the league then maybe it can be overturned. But either way it may make Moncton look like a bad trade partner for future deals. It was hard enough for us to make trades this year and after this it may get harder. It has nothing to do with Moncton as a great partner. VD got a great deal out of that, it's about Marchand being stubborn.
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Post by Dirty Afanasenkov on Aug 11, 2006 12:19:12 GMT -5
I don't see how it'd make Moncton look bad. Moncton traded with Val-d'Or in good faith, it was Marchand that balked at the thought of moving up north.
If Val-d'Or went to the league requesting the deal be nulified and reworked with different compensation and Marchand staying in Moncton then Moncton still wouldn't look bad.
Moncton did nothing wrong.
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Post by Wheelies on Aug 11, 2006 12:26:52 GMT -5
If Spencer returns,he could be one of the big heavy weights in the Q. Provided he gets a longer leash than Nolan had him on.
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Post by Ace on Aug 11, 2006 12:38:14 GMT -5
I know Moncton didn't do anything wrong but it might look better if Moncton was able to rework the deal. But on the other hand it might set another precedent for future players to pull the same stunt. The only reason we are going through this is because Marchand will be an awesome player in the next 2 years. If this was anyone else we would not be going through this. Look at J S Adam. But what the hell can we give up to keep him anyways. Samson is going at Xmas (cause I think Bourdon will be back), we lose the rights to Goulet. What other impact players do we have that Val D'Or can use? Someone already posted that their OA's are good so really we have nothing. And who's to say Marqhardt or any other younger player won't do the same thing as Marchand. IMO they could get a lot more for Marchand by trading him to another team which I am sure they are aware of as well.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Aug 11, 2006 14:11:07 GMT -5
If Spencer returns,he could be one of the big heavy weights in the Q. Provided he gets a longer leash than Nolan had him on. There seems to be more depth in 20 year olds this year. S[encer may or may not find a team to play for in the Q.
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Post by Wheelies on Aug 11, 2006 14:29:51 GMT -5
That is also true Billy.. I guess we will find out in a few weeks, who's staying and going. I am hoping for a few surprises..
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Post by raymond on Aug 11, 2006 17:58:31 GMT -5
I tried to get a concrete answer today on the Whelton Belanger issue I talked about and I got this trown at me, don't be surprised to see Whelton and Belanger go to Val D'or in turn Moncton keeps Marchand and then in turn Val D'or trades Whelton and Belanger away to a third party. Makes sense but wil it happen? ? we'll have to see. Is Marchand worth more than those two. In some people's eyse yes and some no. Depends on the deal Val D'or has to trade them away. Maybe the third party really wants one or both of them and is willing to give Val D'or something that is worth Marchand. I think this would be a blessing in disguise for the Wildcats.
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Post by chootoi on Aug 11, 2006 21:24:02 GMT -5
I tried to get a concrete answer today on the Whelton Belanger issue I talked about and I got this trown at me, don't be surprised to see Whelton and Belanger go to Val D'or in turn Moncton keeps Marchand and then in turn Val D'or trades Whelton and Belanger away to a third party. Makes sense but wil it happen? ? we'll have to see. Is Marchand worth more than those two. In some people's eyse yes and some no. Depends on the deal Val D'or has to trade them away. Maybe the third party really wants one or both of them and is willing to give Val D'or something that is worth Marchand. I think this would be a blessing in disguise for the Wildcats. i could care less what val d'or gets in return for welton & belanger... if that is the rumoured compensation then the cats get away with one big time. take it and run boys... marchand has more value than those two guys. if we traded them we would get what, maybe a 2nd rounder for welton (and perhaps a 3rd or 4th line guy) at most, and maybe a 4th or 5th rounder for belanger. marchand is worth a first (maybe +) from alot of teams. this is of course only the trade value... i wouldn't expect the cats to deal him if he stayed. he's still got at least two years left in the Q. i'd be shocked if this happened.
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Post by MacKevin on Aug 11, 2006 21:52:10 GMT -5
I tried to get a concrete answer today on the Whelton Belanger issue I talked about and I got this trown at me, don't be surprised to see Whelton and Belanger go to Val D'or in turn Moncton keeps Marchand and then in turn Val D'or trades Whelton and Belanger away to a third party. Makes sense but wil it happen? ? we'll have to see. Is Marchand worth more than those two. In some people's eyse yes and some no. Depends on the deal Val D'or has to trade them away. Maybe the third party really wants one or both of them and is willing to give Val D'or something that is worth Marchand. I think this would be a blessing in disguise for the Wildcats. i could care less what val d'or gets in return for welton & belanger... if that is the rumoured compensation then the cats get away with one big time. take it and run boys... marchand has more value than those two guys. if we traded them we would get what, maybe a 2nd rounder for welton (and perhaps a 3rd or 4th line guy) at most, and maybe a 4th or 5th rounder for belanger. marchand is worth a first (maybe +) from alot of teams. this is of course only the trade value... i wouldn't expect the cats to deal him if he stayed. he's still got at least two years left in the Q. i'd be shocked if this happened. Jeez, the top +/- guy on the Presidents Cups Champs would only get a 2'nd rounder. Give your head a shake. I'm sure that Que would love to have him back now.
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Post by chootoi on Aug 11, 2006 22:25:02 GMT -5
Jeez, the top +/- guy on the Presidents Cups Champs would only get a 2'nd rounder. Give your head a shake. I'm sure that Que would love to have him back now. a) coulombe - the 3rd best point producing d-man last year fetched about a first or second last year (tanguay) after you take away all the other stuff in that trade. this was at christmas when prices are supposedly 'up'. welton is not an all star defenceman. he's alright. on a weak team he's a top pairing guy. on a contender he's a 3rd or 4th defenceman. i don't think a bottom feeder team would go out and acquire him as a 20... but maybe.... i also don't think contending team would spend a whole lot more than a 2nd on a 3rd or 4th defenceman. maybe i'm wrong here, i dunno b) did we even have any minus players on the team last year? we beat everyone 10-1. c) depth of 20's around the league is pretty good this season. i'd be happy if we could get a 2nd round pick for him. if we got more than that i would shit my pants.
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Post by MacKevin on Aug 11, 2006 23:11:29 GMT -5
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Post by chootoi on Aug 12, 2006 11:04:19 GMT -5
alright, what i'm trying to get at here is that trade value is not like last season. last year was different. we were loading up, quebec was, chicoutimi was etc... cause everyone knew two teams were going to the MC and they had a better chance. prices were steep. i doubt it will be the same again this year. just cause we paid a first and whatever for welton doesn't mean we'll get it back. like i said he's good but i don't think he's that good. that's just an opinion.
same kinda situation with bourdon. in theory, VD could end up getting girard, js adam, marchand, goulet, and samson for bourdon. if we trade bourdon this year i doubt we'd see that kind of return. it would still be a nice return but i don't think we'd hit that kind of jackpot.
as for +/- if welton was a plus 50 or whatever he was on the oceanic last year it would be an accomplishment. +/- is an overrated and deceiving stat to me. michal rozsival led the NHL in +/- for defencemen last year and i don't think too many people would exactly consider him a norris candidate.
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Post by Porkchop on Aug 14, 2006 6:58:45 GMT -5
I tried to get a concrete answer today on the Whelton Belanger issue I talked about and I got this trown at me, don't be surprised to see Whelton and Belanger go to Val D'or in turn Moncton keeps Marchand and then in turn Val D'or trades Whelton and Belanger away to a third party. Makes sense but wil it happen? ? we'll have to see. Is Marchand worth more than those two. In some people's eyse yes and some no. Depends on the deal Val D'or has to trade them away. Maybe the third party really wants one or both of them and is willing to give Val D'or something that is worth Marchand. I think this would be a blessing in disguise for the Wildcats. i could care less what val d'or gets in return for welton & belanger... if that is the rumoured compensation then the cats get away with one big time. take it and run boys... marchand has more value than those two guys. if we traded them we would get what, maybe a 2nd rounder for welton (and perhaps a 3rd or 4th line guy) at most, and maybe a 4th or 5th rounder for belanger. marchand is worth a first (maybe +) from alot of teams. this is of course only the trade value... i wouldn't expect the cats to deal him if he stayed. he's still got at least two years left in the Q. i'd be shocked if this happened. If Marchand stays in Moncton this year he road games will be hell for him..... ;D ;D....James Sanford would automatically lose his "crybaby" nick name......... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mikeb on Aug 14, 2006 7:13:03 GMT -5
I tried to get a concrete answer today on the Whelton Belanger issue I talked about and I got this trown at me, don't be surprised to see Whelton and Belanger go to Val D'or in turn Moncton keeps Marchand and then in turn Val D'or trades Whelton and Belanger away to a third party. Makes sense but wil it happen? ? we'll have to see. Is Marchand worth more than those two. In some people's eyse yes and some no. Depends on the deal Val D'or has to trade them away. Maybe the third party really wants one or both of them and is willing to give Val D'or something that is worth Marchand. I think this would be a blessing in disguise for the Wildcats. I find that team management are always willing to share confidential info with posters who will immediately post that info on messageboards.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 14, 2006 7:24:00 GMT -5
i could care less what val d'or gets in return for welton & belanger... if that is the rumoured compensation then the cats get away with one big time. take it and run boys... marchand has more value than those two guys. if we traded them we would get what, maybe a 2nd rounder for welton (and perhaps a 3rd or 4th line guy) at most, and maybe a 4th or 5th rounder for belanger. marchand is worth a first (maybe +) from alot of teams. this is of course only the trade value... i wouldn't expect the cats to deal him if he stayed. he's still got at least two years left in the Q. i'd be shocked if this happened. If Marchand stays in Moncton this year he road games will be hell for him..... ;D ;D....James Sanford would automatically lose his "crybaby" nick name......... ;D ;D ;D I don't think Sanford ever had any trouble playing on the road ... he actually enjoyed getting the fans going ... and Marchand is alot like him in that respect. So if the Titan fans (or any fans) boo Marchand I doubt he'll consider it to be "hell".
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