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Post by raymond on Aug 10, 2006 18:20:11 GMT -5
Well I've been reading all of your comments over the off season and thought I'd add my 2 cents. First off, Tim Spencer will be back this year. He will arrive in Moncton on the 14th. As for the other 20 year olds, I expect Gaudet for sure and Goulet? Whelton and Belanger will be traded, possibly to Val D'or in exchange with another team in order to keep Marchand. This particular deal has a very good chance of happening. The team is working very hard to keep Marchand. Rumor is some boys from the Maritimes playing in Northern Quebec are asking for trades to Moncton from Val D'or so that may help somehow in the Marchand deal. D.Macdonald will either be cut or traded away. Everyone knows now that Pianosi is coming which is awesone. Pepin is a no show for sure for sure. Strait is a good possibility as of now. Apparantly talks are going very well. Apparantly Yandle and Pineault are being very good embassadors for the Wildcats. Jimmy Hayes is my big question mark. He'd be a steal if he came but, I'm not counting on it. As for free agents, 2 or 3 are slated to crack the line up if they play like they can. In my opinion we are still an above .500 team and possible challenger for the division title. If a couple more boys sign on it could be another exciting year for the cats. Can't wait for training camp.
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Post by Sakss23 on Aug 10, 2006 18:45:29 GMT -5
Although you seem to have pretty good sources, i think theres a rule that you forgot. A player who has been traded cannot come back to his original team for i think 2 years. so unless i got your msg wrong, marchand cannot stay in moncton.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Aug 10, 2006 18:46:39 GMT -5
The 20 year olds will be Gaudet A.Mac and Welton, Spencer is coming in case another team wants him or one of them signs pro.
Marchand won't ever play for the WC again, stop dreaming.
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Post by mik on Aug 10, 2006 18:54:14 GMT -5
Marchand is Gone .
But I to believe that we could have above 500. Team.
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Post by raymond on Aug 10, 2006 20:40:12 GMT -5
From what I heard there is a loop hole somewhere that Marchand can stay with Moncton. Where he has not reported to Val D'or they can nulify the deal and provide other compensation or something. I'll try to find out the details. I do know for sure that they are trying to keep him.
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Post by raymond on Aug 10, 2006 20:41:47 GMT -5
Oh ya I forgot to respond about Whelton. He and Belanger will not play for the cats this season. I can't see it happening. Spencer will play for the Cats!
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Post by Porkchop on Aug 11, 2006 6:19:16 GMT -5
From what I heard there is a loop hole somewhere that Marchand can stay with Moncton. Where he has not reported to Val D'or they can nulify the deal and provide other compensation or something. I'll try to find out the details. I do know for sure that they are trying to keep him. Bourdon already played for the Cats.....how can you nulify that deal?
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Post by jimmy on Aug 11, 2006 6:27:42 GMT -5
From what I heard there is a loop hole somewhere that Marchand can stay with Moncton. Where he has not reported to Val D'or they can nulify the deal and provide other compensation or something. I'll try to find out the details. I do know for sure that they are trying to keep him. Bourdon already played for the Cats.....how can you nulify that deal? Well, technically, the Q site has them recorded as individual transactions - obviously everyone knows they are inter-connected but: 06-06-09Les Wildcats de Moncton cèdent aux Foreurs de Val d’Or le joueur Brad Marchand (88-05-11); En retour, les Foreurs de Val d’Or cèdent aux Wildcats de Moncton le choix de 1e ronde (acquis de Moncton) de 2008. The Moncton Wildcats trade to the Val d’Or Foreurs the player Brad Marchand (88-05-11); In return, the Val d’Or Foreurs trade to the Moncton Wildcats the 1st round pick (acquired from Moncton) at the 2008 entry draft. AND 06/01/04 Les Wildcats de Moncton cèdent aux Foreurs de Val d’Or les joueurs IAN MATHIEU-GIRARD (85-06-16), JEAN-SÉBASTIEN ADAM (86-10-29), leur choix de 4ième ronde de 2007 ainsi que leur choix de 1ière ronde à la séance de sélection de 2008; En retour, les Foreurs de Val d’Or cèdent aux Wildcats de Moncton le joueur LUC BOURDON (87-02-16). Now don't get me wrong, I think we are dreaming in technicolour at the thought of this happening, but I suppose it could happen technically.
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Post by Dirty Afanasenkov on Aug 11, 2006 7:18:06 GMT -5
And the Q will not want to nulify this deal, it sets a dangerous precedent.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 11, 2006 9:13:50 GMT -5
I've always felt it was a possibility that the deal could be overturned ... it doesn't fall under the idea of a "rental player" which that rule tries to eliminate. The Q has allowed "official" trades to be changed in the past when problems occur after the fact. Daniel LeBlanc was traded to PEI from RN ... but he was injured and required surgery ... that deal was overturned and PEI was provided different compensation ... two picks if I recall. The Q has the ability to do whatever they want to do ... the rules don't matter as they have shown in the past ... and they can rule on anything that they consider to be "special circumstances".
Personally I feel the Wildcats should be involved in the Marchand issue to either try to get him to report or rework the deal to the satisfaction of VD. Its sort of like sending somebody a cheque with insufficient funds.
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Post by Dirty Afanasenkov on Aug 11, 2006 10:35:16 GMT -5
In the event of "damaged goods" being traded then yes, the deal can be reworked for other compensation. Usually is it not the team receiving damaged goods that file some sort of grievance with the Q league? The league then steps in to determine whether or not the deal should be reworked or extra compensation provided?
So having said that, I would believe it would be up to Val-d'Or to file some sort of grievance with the Q league.
The situation with an injured player being traded and a player refusing to report is different. The team that received the refusing player has the option to flip him to another team. Whereas in the case of an injured player they are stuck with him.
If Val-d'Or decides to hold onto Marchand hoping he changes his mind and he doesn't, that's their issue.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 11, 2006 11:27:13 GMT -5
Alright, so lets get hypothetical for a moment. How could the trade be re-worked? V-D have three good overagers lined up, so Welton and/or Belanger doesn't make a lot of sense.
If the Marchand deal was nullified, they still have our 2008 1st ... so that could be part of the compensation. They are going to want some immediate help, what could we offer? Maybe remove the conditions on Samson and send him immediately ... what other non-20's do we have who are proven ready to have an impact this year? Bourdon can't go back, Marquardt perhaps? Maybe one of our two new euros if in fact they turn out to be good (assuming V-D doesn't already have two).
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Post by MacKevin on Aug 11, 2006 11:45:13 GMT -5
What happens if Marchand is traded from VD to say Halifax and then Halifax trades him back to us?
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Aug 11, 2006 12:03:34 GMT -5
What happens if Marchand is traded from VD to say Halifax and then Halifax trades him back to us? That would be a direct violation of the CB-Halifax rule put in 3 years ago. Marchand staying in Moncton...though very unlikely, is a better possibility than him comiong back via a 3rd team.
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Post by Ace on Aug 11, 2006 12:06:17 GMT -5
"Technically" he isn't allowed to play for the team that traded him for 2 years. Or so I thought the rules stated. But if Moncton is trying to save face and rework the dreal so it makes sense for both parties and Val D'Or goes to the league then maybe it can be overturned. But either way it may make Moncton look like a bad trade partner for future deals. It was hard enough for us to make trades this year and after this it may get harder.
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