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Post by Cristobal Huet on Aug 29, 2005 8:57:21 GMT -5
I'm trying to see where their role will be once everybody is back in the fold.
Girard has had a pretty good camp to date, but I don't see him bumping one of Karsums Graham Goulet Marquardt Marchand Pineault off the top 2 lines. Can he be a 3rd liner(with Gaudet and Samson?).
Hepditch is listed with the forwards, I can only see him on defense while Adam is out...
Yandle-Belanger Welton-Bartulis Hepditch-Demers/MacDonald
Tanguay-Penner-Emanuele-Ouksun-Adam(inj)-Gardiner
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Post by duffman on Aug 29, 2005 10:52:48 GMT -5
I love the work ethic of both those guys but do they belong on a Mem cup host team...in a 20 yo spot?
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Post by jimmy on Aug 29, 2005 11:11:45 GMT -5
At this point, as you mention, there is likely no room for Girard on the top 2 lines. With Samson and Gaudet appearing to be locks on the 3rd line, that leaves at best 1 3rd line spot open for Girard or Hepditch - however they are also competing with the likes of Spencer (who appears to be impressing the coaches at camp), so it is not inconceivable that both could wind up in a 4th line role... Is it worthwhile carrying 2 20 year olds on the 4th line? Wouldn't the icetime be better invested in players with higher ceilings like Chabot or Eagles, or on toughness a la Moore or Obelnicki?
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Post by bayboy on Aug 29, 2005 11:49:38 GMT -5
It's a long season, things change very quickly sometimes, having someone that can play front or back can be pretty handy to have around.
especially if that person has good leadership qualities and good work ethic.
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Post by Randycat on Aug 29, 2005 11:54:20 GMT -5
I think we are definitely going to see Hepditch around until at least Christmas, if not for the entire season. I have spoken to several coaches (who coach and have coached him) and they deem Hepditch a 'coach's dream.' Add that to the fact that he is a natural leader and playing with shitload of heart, and I think he will get his place on the team. Maybe Nolan can work with him on improving his consistency and bringing his errors down.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 29, 2005 12:33:18 GMT -5
I think we are definitely going to see Hepditch around until at least Christmas, if not for the entire season. I have spoken to several coaches (who coach and have coached him) and they deem Hepditch a 'coach's dream.' Add that to the fact that he is a natural leader and playing with shitload of heart, and I think he will get his place on the team. Maybe Nolan can work with him on improving his consistency and bringing his errors down. Hmmm ... no ... a Coach's dream is all that you said ... plus add in Bernier's size and skill. Smallish Dmen with limited skill is not part of any Coach's dream.
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Post by MikeC on Aug 29, 2005 13:06:34 GMT -5
I'm trying to see where their role will be once everybody is back in the fold. Girard has had a pretty good camp to date, but I don't see him bumping one of Karsums Graham Goulet Marquardt Marchand Pineault off the top 2 lines. Can he be a 3rd liner(with Gaudet and Samson?). Hepditch is listed with the forwards, I can only see him on defense while Adam is out... Yandle-Belanger Welton-Bartulis Hepditch-Demers/MacDonald Tanguay-Penner-Emanuele-Ouksun-Adam(inj)-Gardiner I think it depends on Marchand's play. I think Girard will start on the 3rd line with Hepditch floating between the 4th line and defence, and the PK unit. I imagine they'll give Marchand every chance early on to keep a spot on the top 2 lines. If he falters, Girard could step up in his spot on the top 2 lines, and Hepditch could jump in on the 3rd line in Girard's place. A 4th line with Marchand and Chabot isn't too bad either.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 29, 2005 13:26:38 GMT -5
I'm trying to see where their role will be once everybody is back in the fold. Girard has had a pretty good camp to date, but I don't see him bumping one of Karsums Graham Goulet Marquardt Marchand Pineault off the top 2 lines. Can he be a 3rd liner(with Gaudet and Samson?). Hepditch is listed with the forwards, I can only see him on defense while Adam is out... Yandle-Belanger Welton-Bartulis Hepditch-Demers/MacDonald Tanguay-Penner-Emanuele-Ouksun-Adam(inj)-Gardiner I think it depends on Marchand's play. I think Girard will start on the 3rd line with Hepditch floating between the 4th line and defence, and the PK unit. I imagine they'll give Marchand every chance early on to keep a spot on the top 2 lines. If he falters, Girard could step up in his spot on the top 2 lines, and Hepditch could jump in on the 3rd line in Girard's place. A 4th line with Marchand and Chabot isn't too bad either. Good point, and I would imagine what you have to say about Marchand would hold true for Marquardt as well - he will be given a chance to keep a role on the top 2 lines, and if he falters, Girard could step in... If injuries pop up, he could also be back in the mix - but it seems like a waste of an overager spot to use it on a depth player who may or may not fill in on a scoring line if someone flops or gets hurt...
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Post by duffman on Aug 29, 2005 13:36:08 GMT -5
It's a long season, things change very quickly sometimes, having someone that can play front or back can be pretty handy to have around. especially if that person has good leadership qualities and good work ethic. First of all I have a lot of respect for players like Hepditch. He obviously has a lot of heart, he must be a leader off the ice and probably sets a great example with his work ethic. I have more respect for a guy like Hepditch who works his way on to a team then the many guys who have been more talented but sat in the stands and left because they did not want to work. That said Hepditch is undersized and does not have the skill or strength to really make up for it. His greatest contribution is eating minutes and not making mistakes. Do you have room for a 20 year old who is not an impact player, or one who really does not do any one thing well? He does not throw momentum changing hits, he is not a feared heavyweight, he will not score a big goal. He is a foot soldier, grinder who works hard but at 20 he needs to do more...can he? Unless his leadership is phenomenal and he can pick up the team just by his presence in the lineup I think his time as a Wildcat may come to an end...just because of numbers and age.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 29, 2005 13:41:42 GMT -5
It's a long season, things change very quickly sometimes, having someone that can play front or back can be pretty handy to have around. especially if that person has good leadership qualities and good work ethic. First of all I have a lot of respect for players like Hepditch. He obviously has a lot of heart, he must be a leader off the ice and probably sets a great example with his work ethic. I have more respect for a guy like Hepditch who works his way on to a team then the many guys who have been more talented but sat in the stands and left because they did not want to work. That said Hepditch is undersized and does not have the skill or strength to really make up for it. His greatest contribution is eating minutes and not making mistakes. Do you have room for a 20 year old who is not an impact player, or one who really does not do any one thing well? He does not throw momentum changing hits, he is not a feared heavyweight, he will not score a big goal. He is a foot soldier, grinder who works hard but at 20 he needs to do more...can he? Unless his leadership is phenomenal and he can pick up the team just by his presence in the lineup I think his time as a Wildcat may come to an end...just because of numbers and age. Agree ... if this was a rebuilding year (or retooling as it should be if we weren't hosting) then Hepditch probably has a spot and wear's the C. But if we keep him as a 20 yr old all year then we aren't serious about winning the Mem Cup and are simply just happy to be there.
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Post by MikeC on Aug 29, 2005 13:42:45 GMT -5
Good point, and I would imagine what you have to say about Marchand would hold true for Marquardt as well - he will be given a chance to keep a role on the top 2 lines, and if he falters, Girard could step in... If injuries pop up, he could also be back in the mix - but it seems like a waste of an overager spot to use it on a depth player who may or may not fill in on a scoring line if someone flops or gets hurt... Yes, Girard could step in for anyone (Marquardt, Goulet, or Marchand). However, Goulet and Marquardt could also play on the 3rd line, so bumping either of those guys still doesn't get Hepditch into a top 3 line role. I agree, Hepditch and Girard are not the ideal 20 year olds on a hope-to-be contending team.
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Post by Make 15 on Aug 29, 2005 14:19:30 GMT -5
It's a long season, things change very quickly sometimes, having someone that can play front or back can be pretty handy to have around. especially if that person has good leadership qualities and good work ethic. ...and especially when he's mistake prone on the blueline and doesn't even belong in the top 12 forwards or top 6 defenceman on this team regardless of age. You're obviously a relative of Hepditch, but don't worry he'll be a good player for the Beavers this year.
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Post by bayboy on Aug 29, 2005 15:42:24 GMT -5
Yes I'm a relative and very proud of him, and I'm not worried about him making the beavers, that decision has already been made he will not be there, regardless of what his status with the wildcats.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Aug 29, 2005 16:29:45 GMT -5
Yes I'm a relative and very proud of him, and I'm not worried about him making the beavers, that decision has already been made he will not be there, regardless of what his status with the wildcats. He won't have much of a choice, they have his Jr.a rights.
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Post by bayboy on Aug 29, 2005 16:48:07 GMT -5
if he's cut from maj, he is not obligated to play jr a in the east, without going into detail, there are other plans.
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