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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 21, 2007 6:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by curtis on Jun 21, 2007 7:10:01 GMT -5
Good read. So what are the odds we draft Euros who are already NHL drafted?
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 21, 2007 8:11:26 GMT -5
I think the Russians are right in charging an arm and a leg to get a release for a player to come to NA to play hockey. The Czech's are suffering from their players leaving in bunches because its easy to get them to come over. There has to be a better balance between doing what is right for the player and doing what is right for the Czeck national ice hockey federation.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 21, 2007 8:23:07 GMT -5
I think the Russians are right in charging an arm and a leg to get a release for a player to come to NA to play hockey. The Czech's are suffering from their players leaving in bunches because its easy to get them to come over. There has to be a better balance between doing what is right for the player and doing what is right for the Czeck national ice hockey federation. Wait a minute - you are one of the biggest proponents of a player being able to choose where he wants to play, and in supporting players who refuse to play for certain Q teams when they feel the NCAA presents a better option for their future - a stance I wholeheartedly agree with by the way ... It seems that you are willing to consider an opposite view for young europeans - what is good for the Czech federation vs. just the kid, who wants to follow his hockey dreams and play in North America (which, when you think of it, is a form of education - language, culture, etc..). Seems a little contradictory, no?
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 21, 2007 8:44:00 GMT -5
I think the Russians are right in charging an arm and a leg to get a release for a player to come to NA to play hockey. The Czech's are suffering from their players leaving in bunches because its easy to get them to come over. There has to be a better balance between doing what is right for the player and doing what is right for the Czeck national ice hockey federation. Wait a minute - you are one of the biggest proponents of a player being able to choose where he wants to play, and in supporting players who refuse to play for certain Q teams when they feel the NCAA presents a better option for their future - a stance I wholeheartedly agree with by the way ... It seems that you are willing to consider an opposite view for young europeans - what is good for the Czech federation vs. just the kid, who wants to follow his hockey dreams and play in North America (which, when you think of it, is a form of education - language, culture, etc..). Seems a little contradictory, no? I would not be opposed to Hockey Canada making NCAA schools pay a release fee (maybe they already do) before Canadian kids can go play in the US. Its the same thing as development money ... you put time and effort and expense into developing elite players and they suddenly jump ship to play somewhere else ... weakening your own product at home. I'm not saying I want to prevent players from playing elsewhere ... I'm saying that hockey federations should be properly compensated when a player switches countries. I don't take any issue with the Russians holding out for more money ... and maybe if the Czech's did their program wouldn't be deteriorating. That doesn't mean I don't want Czech players here ... I do ... I want Russians too. But put the shoe on the other foot ... if we were losing Jr players to the European pro leagues ... because they could get paid as a pro at a young age and still prepare for the NHL ... wouldn't you want the Canadian Ice Hockey Federation to step in and make it harder for players to switch over ... as our CHL teams will be no better than Jr A teams. I can see Hockey Canada getting involved in this NCAA issue ... as it is starting to have a significant affect on the CHL.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 21, 2007 9:50:14 GMT -5
Wait a minute - you are one of the biggest proponents of a player being able to choose where he wants to play, and in supporting players who refuse to play for certain Q teams when they feel the NCAA presents a better option for their future - a stance I wholeheartedly agree with by the way ... It seems that you are willing to consider an opposite view for young europeans - what is good for the Czech federation vs. just the kid, who wants to follow his hockey dreams and play in North America (which, when you think of it, is a form of education - language, culture, etc..). Seems a little contradictory, no? I would not be opposed to Hockey Canada making NCAA schools pay a release fee (maybe they already do) before Canadian kids can go play in the US. Its the same thing as development money ... you put time and effort and expense into developing elite players and they suddenly jump ship to play somewhere else ... weakening your own product at home. I'm not saying I want to prevent players from playing elsewhere ... I'm saying that hockey federations should be properly compensated when a player switches countries. I don't take any issue with the Russians holding out for more money ... and maybe if the Czech's did their program wouldn't be deteriorating. That doesn't mean I don't want Czech players here ... I do ... I want Russians too. But put the shoe on the other foot ... if we were losing Jr players to the European pro leagues ... because they could get paid as a pro at a young age and still prepare for the NHL ... wouldn't you want the Canadian Ice Hockey Federation to step in and make it harder for players to switch over ... as our CHL teams will be no better than Jr A teams. I can see Hockey Canada getting involved in this NCAA issue ... as it is starting to have a significant affect on the CHL. It would definitely strengthen the CHL if Hockey Canada made it cost-prohibitive for NCAA and prep teams to obtain significant numbers of releases for Canadian players ...
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Post by mikeb on Jun 22, 2007 7:32:12 GMT -5
Wait a minute - you are one of the biggest proponents of a player being able to choose where he wants to play, and in supporting players who refuse to play for certain Q teams when they feel the NCAA presents a better option for their future - a stance I wholeheartedly agree with by the way ... It seems that you are willing to consider an opposite view for young europeans - what is good for the Czech federation vs. just the kid, who wants to follow his hockey dreams and play in North America (which, when you think of it, is a form of education - language, culture, etc..). Seems a little contradictory, no? I would not be opposed to Hockey Canada making NCAA schools pay a release fee (maybe they already do) before Canadian kids can go play in the US. Its the same thing as development money ... you put time and effort and expense into developing elite players and they suddenly jump ship to play somewhere else ... weakening your own product at home. I'm not saying I want to prevent players from playing elsewhere ... I'm saying that hockey federations should be properly compensated when a player switches countries. I don't take any issue with the Russians holding out for more money ... and maybe if the Czech's did their program wouldn't be deteriorating. That doesn't mean I don't want Czech players here ... I do ... I want Russians too. But put the shoe on the other foot ... if we were losing Jr players to the European pro leagues ... because they could get paid as a pro at a young age and still prepare for the NHL ... wouldn't you want the Canadian Ice Hockey Federation to step in and make it harder for players to switch over ... as our CHL teams will be no better than Jr A teams. I can see Hockey Canada getting involved in this NCAA issue ... as it is starting to have a significant affect on the CHL. Actually it is contradictory. You were all for kids having options but your post talks about proposals that could restrict the options of players if it means teams from outside our country won't make any offers because a sports governing body prevents it.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 22, 2007 7:54:38 GMT -5
I would not be opposed to Hockey Canada making NCAA schools pay a release fee (maybe they already do) before Canadian kids can go play in the US. Its the same thing as development money ... you put time and effort and expense into developing elite players and they suddenly jump ship to play somewhere else ... weakening your own product at home. I'm not saying I want to prevent players from playing elsewhere ... I'm saying that hockey federations should be properly compensated when a player switches countries. I don't take any issue with the Russians holding out for more money ... and maybe if the Czech's did their program wouldn't be deteriorating. That doesn't mean I don't want Czech players here ... I do ... I want Russians too. But put the shoe on the other foot ... if we were losing Jr players to the European pro leagues ... because they could get paid as a pro at a young age and still prepare for the NHL ... wouldn't you want the Canadian Ice Hockey Federation to step in and make it harder for players to switch over ... as our CHL teams will be no better than Jr A teams. I can see Hockey Canada getting involved in this NCAA issue ... as it is starting to have a significant affect on the CHL. Actually it is contradictory. You were all for kids having options but your post talks about proposals that could restrict the options of players if it means teams from outside our country won't make any offers because a sports governing body prevents it. Both the individual player and the ice hockey federations have the right to protect their interests and options ... and thats why I originally said a balance must be struck somewhere so both get what works for them. If you find a balance contradictory then I can't help you.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 25, 2007 10:57:04 GMT -5
Here are a few NHL draft picks that could be candidates...Russians cost $$$, Swedes and Fins usually stay home so I'll list the others...
Luca <****> i F Switz 3rd RD Timo Pelmeier F Den 3rd RD Sebastian Stefaniszin F Ger 4th RD Vladimir Ruzicka F Cze 4th RD Milan Kytnar F Slo 5th Rd Denis Reul D Ger 5th RD Juraj Mikus D Slo 5th Rd Radim Ostrcil D Cze 6th Rd Robert Dietrich D Den 6th Rd
Not a very big year for Czechs and Slovaks which usually make up over 50% of the CHL Euro draft.
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Post by CrazyJoeDevola on Jun 25, 2007 11:22:43 GMT -5
Vladimir Ruzicka F Cze 4th RD Thats not really fair.... the guy has to be like 40 years old now...
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Post by Sec21critic on Jun 25, 2007 11:46:48 GMT -5
Here are a few NHL draft picks that could be candidates...Russians cost $$$, Swedes and Fins usually stay home so I'll list the others... Luca <****> i F Switz 3rd RD Timo Pelmeier F Den 3rd RD Sebastian Stefaniszin F Ger 4th RD Vladimir Ruzicka F Cze 4th RD Milan Kytnar F Slo 5th Rd Denis Reul D Ger 5th RD Juraj Mikus D Slo 5th Rd Radim Ostrcil D Cze 6th Rd Robert Dietrich D Den 6th Rd Not a very big year for Czechs and Slovaks which usually make up over 50% of the CHL Euro draft. Luca <****> i F Switz 3rd RD Try putting that name on a sweater.
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Post by rocketbot on Jun 25, 2007 15:58:05 GMT -5
Here are a few NHL draft picks that could be candidates...Russians cost $$$, Swedes and Fins usually stay home so I'll list the others... Juraj Mikus D Slo 5th Rd This guy can't be drafted as he is a Sags player. He was rookie of the month earlier this year. As far as I know the Sags didn't release him.
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Post by Make 15 on Jun 25, 2007 19:04:26 GMT -5
Here are a few NHL draft picks that could be candidates...Russians cost $$$, Swedes and Fins usually stay home so I'll list the others... Juraj Mikus D Slo 5th Rd This guy can't be drafted as he is a Sags player. He was rookie of the month earlier this year. As far as I know the Sags didn't release him. The Juraj Mikus who played for Chicoutimi was a forward and was drafted by Montreal in 2005. This Juraj Mikus is a defenceman and played in Slovakia last season.
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