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Post by Bobo_Sinclair on Apr 16, 2007 11:26:57 GMT -5
The Cats already have Bathurst's Euro pick(around 15th) so they would only have to move up with their own pick about 15-20 spots to get 2 blue chip guys. I know, I was only running with the train of thought on this thread, which at the time was trading up Moncton's (Bathurst's) top pick to get someone. I'm not saying it will/should/would get done, but that's what people seemed to be talking about. If the Wildcats keep Bathurst's pick at where it is, then yes, I agree that trading up their own would be possible and should be done. I prefer that vs. trading up Bat's pick and being stuck at the end of the 1st round.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 16, 2007 12:11:00 GMT -5
Thanks. It is true that I completely forgot about the fact that the Wildcats need two euros. That being said, I think it will be a lot harder moving up their 1st and our 2nd pick in a significant way. Now I don't know how much a mid-low 1st round pick is usually worth, but with the low numbers of midget AAA draft picks we have, I have a feeling that moving up both would be more expensive than the Wildcats can afford. As for Ace's suggestion of taking Suchy, although I would be happy with him on Moncton's blueline, I believe they need younger blood out there. I would be looking towards more of an 18 YO on D. Also, Suchy would not be given freely to Moncton. The price could be something like a 3rd round pick (comparable to Prokopetz). Is he worth a 3rd round pick when the Wildcats have such a low number of good picks to go by? The Cats already have Bathurst's Euro pick(around 15th) so they would only have to move up with their own pick about 15-20 spots to get 2 blue chip guys. Bathurst finished 12th ... so 6 Q teams will pick before us ... plus at least 12 OHL/WHL teams. So the pick is either 19, 20 or 21 ... depending on the league order.
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Post by Bobo_Sinclair on Apr 16, 2007 12:24:24 GMT -5
The Cats already have Bathurst's Euro pick(around 15th) so they would only have to move up with their own pick about 15-20 spots to get 2 blue chip guys. Bathurst finished 12th ... so 6 Q teams will pick before us ... plus at least 12 OHL/WHL teams. So the pick is either 19, 20 or 21 ... depending on the league order. It will be 21, as the QMJHL had the top pick last year and St-John, who owns the 1st QMJHL pick, is picking 3rd.
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Post by Ace on Apr 16, 2007 12:27:35 GMT -5
Good analysis - the only thing you forgot is that where we are looking for two euros, we may also be looking to improve on our second pick (our own first rounder), in which case any of the teams that finished between 5th and 11th overall could also be targets ... Thanks. It is true that I completely forgot about the fact that the Wildcats need two euros. That being said, I think it will be a lot harder moving up their 1st and our 2nd pick in a significant way. Now I don't know how much a mid-low 1st round pick is usually worth, but with the low numbers of midget AAA draft picks we have, I have a feeling that moving up both would be more expensive than the Wildcats can afford. As for Ace's suggestion of taking Suchy, although I would be happy with him on Moncton's blueline, I believe they need younger blood out there. I would be looking towards more of an 18 YO on D. Also, Suchy would not be given freely to Moncton. The price could be something like a 3rd round pick (comparable to Prokopetz). Is he worth a 3rd round pick when the Wildcats have such a low number of good picks to go by? At first I thought Suchy would be good to get as he was here and it waould maybe enable us to package up something to move up in the euro draft plus we would get a pretty physical Q caliber D man who was already climatized to NA. But after reading a bit more on the Halifax board and stuff I realised that he would cost more than we could afford to give up. (You are right Sec21) We don't have that many picks for 07 or 08 in all reality so we need to either move some of the guys we have now maybe for some extra Entry draft picks. What about only drafting one euro? Could we go the year with one really good one?? Say we put our attention on a "can't miss" 17 or 18 year old and pursue some of the NCAA players that we have the rights to a little more aggresively? Yes I know we need more skill but with Torchetti having a full year plus this off seson to put his stamp on this team maybe we could get away with one euro and maybe three or four either FA's or NCAA players.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 16, 2007 12:54:10 GMT -5
Thanks. It is true that I completely forgot about the fact that the Wildcats need two euros. That being said, I think it will be a lot harder moving up their 1st and our 2nd pick in a significant way. Now I don't know how much a mid-low 1st round pick is usually worth, but with the low numbers of midget AAA draft picks we have, I have a feeling that moving up both would be more expensive than the Wildcats can afford. As for Ace's suggestion of taking Suchy, although I would be happy with him on Moncton's blueline, I believe they need younger blood out there. I would be looking towards more of an 18 YO on D. Also, Suchy would not be given freely to Moncton. The price could be something like a 3rd round pick (comparable to Prokopetz). Is he worth a 3rd round pick when the Wildcats have such a low number of good picks to go by? At first I thought Suchy would be good to get as he was here and it waould maybe enable us to package up something to move up in the euro draft plus we would get a pretty physical Q caliber D man who was already climatized to NA. But after reading a bit more on the Halifax board and stuff I realised that he would cost more than we could afford to give up. (You are right Sec21) We don't have that many picks for 07 or 08 in all reality so we need to either move some of the guys we have now maybe for some extra Entry draft picks. What about only drafting one euro? Could we go the year with one really good one?? Say we put our attention on a "can't miss" 17 or 18 year old and pursue some of the NCAA players that we have the rights to a little more aggresively? Yes I know we need more skill but with Torchetti having a full year plus this off seson to put his stamp on this team maybe we could get away with one euro and maybe three or four either FA's or NCAA players. Why would we go with only one Euro ? We have 2 first round picks ... and a 2nd (can only use two picks). No matter where we pick we can still grab two players ... just takes good preparation to get two good ones. So we pick 21st (Bathurst's pick) ... and our own pick would be 45th (14 Q teams plus 30 OHL/WHL teams pick before us if the Q picks 3rd). The team has obviously divided up the off-season duties ... Nevin and LaPlante are working the Euro draft ... Torchetti is probably working the FA market and NCAA guys ... while our scouting of the MAAA ranks is probably pretty much complete by our entire scouting staff. There isn't much hockey left to scout other than a few tournaments (national, International). I place my trust in Torchetti and his staff .... they have shown me that they know what they are doing ... with RKI's backing we could be in a for a few surprises.
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Post by Ace on Apr 16, 2007 13:02:38 GMT -5
At first I thought Suchy would be good to get as he was here and it waould maybe enable us to package up something to move up in the euro draft plus we would get a pretty physical Q caliber D man who was already climatized to NA. But after reading a bit more on the Halifax board and stuff I realised that he would cost more than we could afford to give up. (You are right Sec21) We don't have that many picks for 07 or 08 in all reality so we need to either move some of the guys we have now maybe for some extra Entry draft picks. What about only drafting one euro? Could we go the year with one really good one?? Say we put our attention on a "can't miss" 17 or 18 year old and pursue some of the NCAA players that we have the rights to a little more aggresively? Yes I know we need more skill but with Torchetti having a full year plus this off seson to put his stamp on this team maybe we could get away with one euro and maybe three or four either FA's or NCAA players. Why would we go with only one Euro ? We have 2 first round picks ... and a 2nd (can only use two picks). No matter where we pick we can still grab two players ... just takes good preparation to get two good ones. So we pick 21st (Bathurst's pick) ... and our own pick would be 45th (14 Q teams plus 30 OHL/WHL teams pick before us if the Q picks 3rd). The team has obviously divided up the off-season duties ... Nevin and LaPlante are working the Euro draft ... Torchetti is probably working the FA market and NCAA guys ... while our scouting of the MAAA ranks is probably pretty much complete by our entire scouting staff. There isn't much hockey left to scout other than a few tournaments (national, International). I place my trust in Torchetti and his staff .... they have shown me that they know what they are doing ... with RKI's backing we could be in a for a few surprises. My only rational is that the costs associated with transfer costs (I don't have a clue as to how much it costs but I am guessing it isn't cheap) of getting to good euros to come and to try to recruit some of the NCAA players we have. I know we have an owner who will spend the money on the players if the return is there. I am in total agreement with torchetti and staff and having faith in them and the scouting staff. I know we have limited picks this year (except for the two 1st round euro) but I am really excited to see what Torchetti and the staff can do.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 16, 2007 18:58:19 GMT -5
Why would we go with only one Euro ? We have 2 first round picks ... and a 2nd (can only use two picks). No matter where we pick we can still grab two players ... just takes good preparation to get two good ones. So we pick 21st (Bathurst's pick) ... and our own pick would be 45th (14 Q teams plus 30 OHL/WHL teams pick before us if the Q picks 3rd). The team has obviously divided up the off-season duties ... Nevin and LaPlante are working the Euro draft ... Torchetti is probably working the FA market and NCAA guys ... while our scouting of the MAAA ranks is probably pretty much complete by our entire scouting staff. There isn't much hockey left to scout other than a few tournaments (national, International). I place my trust in Torchetti and his staff .... they have shown me that they know what they are doing ... with RKI's backing we could be in a for a few surprises. My only rational is that the costs associated with transfer costs (I don't have a clue as to how much it costs but I am guessing it isn't cheap) of getting to good euros to come and to try to recruit some of the NCAA players we have. I know we have an owner who will spend the money on the players if the return is there. I am in total agreement with torchetti and staff and having faith in them and the scouting staff. I know we have limited picks this year (except for the two 1st round euro) but I am really excited to see what Torchetti and the staff can do. If anybody can afford two Euro transfer fees its RKI ... other teams do it every year so why wouldn't we ?
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Post by Ace on Apr 17, 2007 7:29:25 GMT -5
RKI can deinately afford them I realise that. All I was saying is that if we could somehow pkg both picks to move into 1 or 2nd which I know won't happen it might have been something to look at.
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Post by Bobo_Sinclair on May 1, 2007 15:33:38 GMT -5
Looking at the draft rankings for the Q, I noticed that the Remparts have the 30th pick total, with ours being the 45th. Now Québec would not want to trade down, since they already have both their Euros. They would want to trade away.
Any possibilities here? I would think so, specially this being a 30th pick overall, not something there would be a bidding war for. Cats would then pick 21st and 30th.
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Post by jimmy on May 1, 2007 17:57:42 GMT -5
Looking at the draft rankings for the Q, I noticed that the Remparts have the 30th pick total, with ours being the 45th. Now Québec would not want to trade down, since they already have both their Euros. They would want to trade away. Any possibilities here? I would think so, specially this being a 30th pick overall, not something there would be a bidding war for. Cats would then pick 21st and 30th. I would think that would be a good possibility ... at a higher cost, Riki may be willing to deal the #6 pick, depending on whether or not they choose to deal Frolik or Skokan.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on May 2, 2007 7:06:57 GMT -5
My only rational is that the costs associated with transfer costs (I don't have a clue as to how much it costs but I am guessing it isn't cheap) of getting to good euros to come and to try to recruit some of the NCAA players we have. I know we have an owner who will spend the money on the players if the return is there. I am in total agreement with torchetti and staff and having faith in them and the scouting staff. I know we have limited picks this year (except for the two 1st round euro) but I am really excited to see what Torchetti and the staff can do. If anybody can afford two Euro transfer fees its RKI ... other teams do it every year so why wouldn't we ? It's not just the transfer fees, with star player you have to pay them and the agent to come because they can make good money back home like Radulov Voracek etc
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