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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jul 22, 2005 8:34:34 GMT -5
I always maintain that every kid has the right to decide where he wants to play ... in the Q or NCAA ... or other. If he gets drafted by a team that doesn't interest him then he has every right to exercise his other options if he has them. I never fault a kid for choosing education first ... hockey second. But ... it will ruin the league if the players are allowed to pick which teams they will play for ... and which they won't. The small market teams and remote teams will die quickly and the Q will become a 10 team league. Some system must be put in place that is fair to all teams ... many suggestions have come out on the boards that have good and bad sides to them ... but they are all better than what is in place now ... nothing. I agree we may not have these kids at all if we don't allow them to pick the teams they will report to ... but if its only Halifax and Quebec then that is a huge problem. Its no good for the League if these kids will only report to the deep pocket teams ... and so I'd rather we didn't have them at all if that is the case. It needs to be fixed ... hopefully some good ideas will come from the GM meetings. I think two of the things that would help alleviate the situation are... 1-to have 15 year olds op into the draft, that way they sign a letter of intent to play anywhere in the QMJHL. Otherwise they can opt out if they are serious about NCAA. Then at 16 all players are in the draft, if a player is still talking NCAA he can be drafted later and lured in by a team, but at least he would have had to opt out at 15 instead of pulling a bluff. 2-the educational packages need to be upgraded, the other 2 eagues have much better packages offered to their players once their junior careers are up, this would stop a team from paying big dollars on a player's education to lure him in, the funds would be there for all team(granted not at Esposito's level, but still...).
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Post by mikeb on Jul 22, 2005 8:46:38 GMT -5
I always maintain that every kid has the right to decide where he wants to play ... in the Q or NCAA ... or other. If he gets drafted by a team that doesn't interest him then he has every right to exercise his other options if he has them. I never fault a kid for choosing education first ... hockey second. But ... it will ruin the league if the players are allowed to pick which teams they will play for ... and which they won't. The small market teams and remote teams will die quickly and the Q will become a 10 team league. Some system must be put in place that is fair to all teams ... many suggestions have come out on the boards that have good and bad sides to them ... but they are all better than what is in place now ... nothing. I agree we may not have these kids at all if we don't allow them to pick the teams they will report to ... but if its only Halifax and Quebec then that is a huge problem. Its no good for the League if these kids will only report to the deep pocket teams ... and so I'd rather we didn't have them at all if that is the case. It needs to be fixed ... hopefully some good ideas will come from the GM meetings. 1-to have 15 year olds op into the draft, that way they sign a letter of intent to play anywhere in the QMJHL. Otherwise they can opt out if they are serious about NCAA. Then at 16 all players are in the draft, if a player is still talking NCAA he can be drafted later and lured in by a team, but at least he would have had to opt out at 15 instead of pulling a bluff. Just a small point. The kids would "opt in". If they don't "opt in" then by exclusion they are out. They wouldn't have to "opt out".
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Post by MikeC on Jul 22, 2005 9:31:00 GMT -5
I always maintain that every kid has the right to decide where he wants to play ... in the Q or NCAA ... or other. If he gets drafted by a team that doesn't interest him then he has every right to exercise his other options if he has them. I never fault a kid for choosing education first ... hockey second. But ... it will ruin the league if the players are allowed to pick which teams they will play for ... and which they won't. The small market teams and remote teams will die quickly and the Q will become a 10 team league. Some system must be put in place that is fair to all teams ... many suggestions have come out on the boards that have good and bad sides to them ... but they are all better than what is in place now ... nothing. I agree we may not have these kids at all if we don't allow them to pick the teams they will report to ... but if its only Halifax and Quebec then that is a huge problem. Its no good for the League if these kids will only report to the deep pocket teams ... and so I'd rather we didn't have them at all if that is the case. It needs to be fixed ... hopefully some good ideas will come from the GM meetings. I think two of the things that would help alleviate the situation are... 1-to have 15 year olds op into the draft, that way they sign a letter of intent to play anywhere in the QMJHL. Otherwise they can opt out if they are serious about NCAA. Then at 16 all players are in the draft, if a player is still talking NCAA he can be drafted later and lured in by a team, but at least he would have had to opt out at 15 instead of pulling a bluff. Oh sure, steal my plan.
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Post by jimmy on Jul 22, 2005 10:42:48 GMT -5
I always maintain that every kid has the right to decide where he wants to play ... in the Q or NCAA ... or other. If he gets drafted by a team that doesn't interest him then he has every right to exercise his other options if he has them. I never fault a kid for choosing education first ... hockey second. But ... it will ruin the league if the players are allowed to pick which teams they will play for ... and which they won't. The small market teams and remote teams will die quickly and the Q will become a 10 team league. Some system must be put in place that is fair to all teams ... many suggestions have come out on the boards that have good and bad sides to them ... but they are all better than what is in place now ... nothing. I agree we may not have these kids at all if we don't allow them to pick the teams they will report to ... but if its only Halifax and Quebec then that is a huge problem. Its no good for the League if these kids will only report to the deep pocket teams ... and so I'd rather we didn't have them at all if that is the case. It needs to be fixed ... hopefully some good ideas will come from the GM meetings. I think two of the things that would help alleviate the situation are... 1-to have 15 year olds op into the draft, that way they sign a letter of intent to play anywhere in the QMJHL. Otherwise they can opt out if they are serious about NCAA. Then at 16 all players are in the draft, if a player is still talking NCAA he can be drafted later and lured in by a team, but at least he would have had to opt out at 15 instead of pulling a bluff. 2-the educational packages need to be upgraded, the other 2 eagues have much better packages offered to their players once their junior careers are up, this would stop a team from paying big dollars on a player's education to lure him in, the funds would be there for all team(granted not at Esposito's level, but still...). I like the concept, but it is much tougher to enact than you make it seem. Under your plan, what prevents a 15 year old from opting in, then going through backroom channels to indicate he would only report to certain teams (or team)? Even if the player opted in, he could still not report and choose to go NCAA.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jul 22, 2005 10:44:36 GMT -5
I think two of the things that would help alleviate the situation are... 1-to have 15 year olds op into the draft, that way they sign a letter of intent to play anywhere in the QMJHL. Otherwise they can opt out if they are serious about NCAA. Then at 16 all players are in the draft, if a player is still talking NCAA he can be drafted later and lured in by a team, but at least he would have had to opt out at 15 instead of pulling a bluff. 2-the educational packages need to be upgraded, the other 2 eagues have much better packages offered to their players once their junior careers are up, this would stop a team from paying big dollars on a player's education to lure him in, the funds would be there for all team(granted not at Esposito's level, but still...). I like the concept, but it is much tougher to enact than you make it seem. Under your plan, what prevents a 15 year old from opting in, then going through backroom channels to indicate he would only report to certain teams (or team)? Even if the player opted in, he could still not report and choose to go NCAA. There is no legal way to force a 16 year old kid to report to a team he does not want to report to...and for that matter you can't legally prevent him for changing his mind and opting to play down the road. That's a fact that prevents any kind of tough legislation.
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Post by MikeC on Jul 22, 2005 10:54:45 GMT -5
I think two of the things that would help alleviate the situation are... 1-to have 15 year olds op into the draft, that way they sign a letter of intent to play anywhere in the QMJHL. Otherwise they can opt out if they are serious about NCAA. Then at 16 all players are in the draft, if a player is still talking NCAA he can be drafted later and lured in by a team, but at least he would have had to opt out at 15 instead of pulling a bluff. 2-the educational packages need to be upgraded, the other 2 eagues have much better packages offered to their players once their junior careers are up, this would stop a team from paying big dollars on a player's education to lure him in, the funds would be there for all team(granted not at Esposito's level, but still...). I like the concept, but it is much tougher to enact than you make it seem. Under your plan, what prevents a 15 year old from opting in, then going through backroom channels to indicate he would only report to certain teams (or team)? Even if the player opted in, he could still not report and choose to go NCAA. Even if it only makes the player declare his true intentions regarding teams he will report to, it is better than the rules they have now (no rules at all).
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Post by chootoi on Jul 22, 2005 12:18:55 GMT -5
i think i've posted this before but anyways...
how about any player who does not report to training camp by X date becomes some type of restricted free agent. then any team is welcome to cut a deal with that guy and if he signs with another team, team A gets compensated either with draft picks or cash or whatever. draft pick compensation would have to be strong enough to dent the team's future, but not totally discourage it from happening, so the player still has a chance to play in the league. something like 2 first rounders or somn.
in any case, the education packages NEED to be upgraded. then these guys wouldn't have a reason to pull the education bluff, except maybe that the calibre of hockey is better in NCAA.
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