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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 17, 2005 9:03:42 GMT -5
I thought Salvis was the #2 20 year old on the team. I think a healthy Caron would have done more in the 2nd half than Glode or Pelham had it not been for 3 key forwards being hurt. Agree about Salvis being the number 2 20 year old on the team. A healthy Caron may have done a better job as third 20 year old than Glode or Pelham, however, by the same token, Glode and Pelham did a fine job as third overgager in the first half (as good as any other teams 3rd overager), the team was winning, and chemistry was clearly very good. As far as strengthening the D, wasn't that what the Welton deal was for? That's the part I found baffling...they should have brought back Caron OR done the Welton trade...but not necessarily both.
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Post by PotatoesRGoodYum on Jun 17, 2005 9:04:32 GMT -5
You should have just told Caron to shove it up his candy ass
Never welcome back a quitter
That was your mistake
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 17, 2005 9:06:50 GMT -5
You should have just told Caron to shove it up his candy ass Never welcome back a quitter That was your mistake Caron went to play pro in the US...If Lapierre were to come back from playing pro in December would you tell him to shove it? I highly doubt it.
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Post by PotatoesRGoodYum on Jun 17, 2005 9:08:49 GMT -5
If we have 3 productive 20's already yes I'd tell him to shove it and deal his rights elsewhere
Difference is Lapierre isn't quitting our team and he has a pro future
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 17, 2005 9:16:17 GMT -5
If we have 3 productive 20's already yes I'd tell him to shove it and deal his rights elsewhere Difference is Lapierre isn't quitting our team and he has a pro future When did caron quit? Caron was also drafted and played pro
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Post by jimmy on Jun 17, 2005 9:43:50 GMT -5
If we have 3 productive 20's already yes I'd tell him to shove it and deal his rights elsewhere Difference is Lapierre isn't quitting our team and he has a pro future When did caron quit? Caron was also drafted and played pro IMO there is a difference between a drafted 20 year old who signs with his NHL team and tries his hand at pro in their system prior to returning to junior at Xmas, and a guy who goes unsigned by the team that drafted him and leaves his junior team to play for an independent minor pro team in some bush league...
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Post by PotatoesRGoodYum on Jun 17, 2005 9:47:41 GMT -5
at the start of last season
I said has a pro future.. Caron obviously realized pretty quickly he had none
He could have waited to make that jump from the Q to whatever garbage league he played in.. that team that folded after one year wasn't it? He quit on your team and when he realized he couldn't even cut it in that league he came crawling back and crying he wanted to play but would only play in Moncton and if he was guaranteed a roster spot.. i woulda told him to go away especially in light of the facts that you didn't need him
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 17, 2005 9:52:24 GMT -5
at the start of last season I said has a pro future.. Caron obviously realized pretty quickly he had none He could have waited to make that jump from the Q to whatever garbage league he played in.. that team that folded after one year wasn't it? He quit on your team and when he realized he couldn't even cut it in that league he came crawling back and crying he wanted to play but would only play in Moncton and if he was guaranteed a roster spot.. i woulda told him to go away especially in light of the facts that you didn't need him How is leaving the Q to go play pro "quitting on the team"? Biased posting once again rears it's ugly head
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Post by KBT on Jun 17, 2005 11:48:50 GMT -5
Caron just seems to be a middle of the road player who has been very expensive for Moncton....twice. I couldn't believe the Cats traded Parenteau for him and then traded Pelham and cut Salvis loose to get him back. I just don't see where he ever justified his cost. I don't blame him for getting hurt, I just don't think he made that big a difference at any point during his stay here.
He's kind of like Bob Euchre, the baseball player, when he says he was traded for Catfish Hunter. He also explains that he was packaged with players A, B and C and the deal was contingent on the other team having to take Euchre too. Caron can tell his grandchildren that he was worth Parenteau, Pelham and Salvis. Not bad for a so-so defenseman who promised much and delivered little.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 17, 2005 14:22:02 GMT -5
Caron left to play pro because he didn't want to play into the uncertainty of so many 20 yr olds and only 3 spots for them.
And its the exact same reason that Salvis left ... Salvis also quit ... he was not released until he requested he be released, as the Cats wanted to affiliate him and then bring him back in as they did with Doucette. Salvis wanted to play everynight so he left for the US.
How is what Caron did any different than what Salvis did ? Salvis went to join another Jr team ... Caron went to play pro. If you consider that ... Salvis was more of a quitter than Caron was.
I don't think either of them were quitters ... they just wanted the certainty of playing everynight.
Caron quit on his pro team because they were quickly going down the tubes and weren't serious about playing hockey ... it was "pro" only by name.
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Post by Doc on Jun 17, 2005 17:05:38 GMT -5
Caron left to play pro because he didn't want to play into the uncertainty of so many 20 yr olds and only 3 spots for them. And its the exact same reason that Salvis left ... Salvis also quit ... he was not released until he requested he be released, as the Cats wanted to affiliate him and then bring him back in as they did with Doucette. Salvis wanted to play everynight so he left for the US. How is what Caron did any different than what Salvis did ? Salvis went to join another Jr team ... Caron went to play pro. If you consider that ... Salvis was more of a quitter than Caron was. I don't think either of them were quitters ... they just wanted the certainty of playing everynight. Caron quit on his pro team because they were quickly going down the tubes and weren't serious about playing hockey ... it was "pro" only by name. I think your logic is a little thin, Steve. Caron left the team in training camp (when he had every chance to earn his place on the team) because they wouldn't assure him that he would play every game. Salvis left when the team didn't have any room for him (even though they had assured him that they would trade him if he wasn't kept), and he had no desirable "Q" options left. Simply put, Caron quit the team, while the team quit on Salvis... n'est pas? I don't think that Caron or Salvis' actions were at all alike. Whether you feel that they both "quit" doesn't reflect the circumstance or commitment which differed between these players and the team.
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Post by KBT on Jun 17, 2005 18:12:10 GMT -5
Sorry Doc, this thread is only open to those of us who participate in guesswork, conjecture and out and out misinformed opinions. People like you with concrete knowledge of the facts from the inside just muddy the water and confuse us. Maybe you should stick to the threads like the one about last years' twenty year olds and where are they now......oops, another bad choice.
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Post by Doc on Jun 17, 2005 18:53:44 GMT -5
Sorry Doc, this thread is only open to those of us who participate in guesswork, conjecture and out and out misinformed opinions. People like you with concrete knowledge of the facts from the inside just muddy the water and confuse us. Maybe you should stick to the threads like the one about last years' twenty year olds and where are they now......oops, another bad choice. Thanks KBT (you really do have a refreshing sense of humor). As for last year's 20 year olds, it's down to a few schools...2 in the Maritimes and 1 in Ontario. The most aggressive has been Danny Flynn...soon to be formerly of St. F.X. (go figure..Wildcat connection!!!). I'll keep you posted.
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