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Post by mikeb on Jun 16, 2005 7:02:31 GMT -5
I don't want to get into a should have/could have/would have debate but of all the Moncton players only one player has "proven" he can score 30 goals and that was Karsums who actually did score 30 goals. Mathieu Roy scored 33 goals. They are the only 2 guys on both sides that "proved" they could score 30 goals. Everyone else is just speculation. Beauregard was on pace to score 42 goals last year. So he would fit your "more than a 30 goal pace"? ...and he played in what, 5 games last year? That's pretty weak. But it fits YOUR LOGIC.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 16, 2005 9:48:47 GMT -5
Anybody with common sense would understand that a guy who scored 23 in 47 games and missed 23 due to injury could easily score 30 with a normal(no broken leg) season(pace for 34). By pulling a guy who scored 3 in 5 games to help your argument you show you are beaten. Anybody with common sense knows that a player can be hot or cold over 5 games and skew the numbers.
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Post by cbtitan on Jun 16, 2005 10:16:38 GMT -5
Anybody with common sense would understand that a guy who scored 23 in 47 games and missed 23 due to injury could easily score 30 with a normal(no broken leg) season(pace for 34). By pulling a guy who scored 3 in 5 games to help your argument you show you are beaten. Anybody with common sense knows that a player can be hot or cold over 5 games and skew the numbers. Any scorer who scored 18 goals at 17 without any legit centerman of 1st or 2nd line quality is expected to score 30 goals at 19. Common sense....
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 16, 2005 10:36:00 GMT -5
Anybody with common sense would understand that a guy who scored 23 in 47 games and missed 23 due to injury could easily score 30 with a normal(no broken leg) season(pace for 34). By pulling a guy who scored 3 in 5 games to help your argument you show you are beaten. Anybody with common sense knows that a player can be hot or cold over 5 games and skew the numbers. Any scorer who scored 18 goals at 17 without any legit centerman of 1st or 2nd line quality is expected to score 30 goals at 19. Common sense.... Not necessarily, some guys mature faster or slower than average. Maybe the player in question reached his full offensive potential at 17.
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Post by cbtitan on Jun 16, 2005 11:45:10 GMT -5
Any scorer who scored 18 goals at 17 without any legit centerman of 1st or 2nd line quality is expected to score 30 goals at 19. Common sense.... Not necessarily, some guys mature faster or slower than average. Maybe the player in question reached his full offensive potential at 17. That is probably why he was our leading scorer in preseason 2004-2005 and had 3 goals and 3 assists for 6 points in the first 5 regular games before getting injured... Good point
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 16, 2005 11:55:08 GMT -5
Not necessarily, some guys mature faster or slower than average. Maybe the player in question reached his full offensive potential at 17. That is probably why he was our leading scorer in preseason 2004-2005 and had 3 goals and 3 assists for 6 points in the first 5 regular games before getting injured... Good point Nathan Francis and Stanson Donovan led our team in scoring in preseason last year I think...does that mean they should be projected 30 goal scorers You should quit before you fall further behind...or hit China.
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Post by cbtitan on Jun 16, 2005 12:39:08 GMT -5
That is probably why he was our leading scorer in preseason 2004-2005 and had 3 goals and 3 assists for 6 points in the first 5 regular games before getting injured... Good point Nathan Francis and Stanson Donovan led our team in scoring in preseason last year I think...does that mean they should be projected 30 goal scorers You should quit before you fall further behind...or hit China. And what did they do as 17 YOs in the Q? You should connect these two stats together rather than trying to be a jerk. You are actually the only one I read in the last two months disputing that Beauregard might be a sniper in the Q this year. Pretty weak and petty comments on your part about a guy who will make you swallow every word you just wrote about him when comes September
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 16, 2005 12:50:36 GMT -5
Nathan Francis and Stanson Donovan led our team in scoring in preseason last year I think...does that mean they should be projected 30 goal scorers You should quit before you fall further behind...or hit China. And what did they do as 17 YOs in the Q? You should connect these two stats together rather than trying to be a jerk. You are actually the only one I read in the last two months disputing that Beauregard might be a sniper in the Q this year. Pretty weak and petty comments on your part about a guy who will make you swallow every word you just wrote about him when comes September You're missing the point of what I'm saying. I think Beauregard can be a 30 goal man next season. What I was questionning is mikeb justifying it by saying he scored 3 in 5 games projected to 42 over 70 games. To make projections on 5 games vs 47 games is a big difference...mike was probably just trying to be an ass.
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Post by mikeb on Jun 20, 2005 7:45:11 GMT -5
Anybody with common sense would understand that a guy who scored 23 in 47 games and missed 23 due to injury could easily score 30 with a normal(no broken leg) season(pace for 34). By pulling a guy who scored 3 in 5 games to help your argument you show you are beaten. Anybody with common sense knows that a player can be hot or cold over 5 games and skew the numbers. And anyone with common sense would know that 5 30 goal scorers happens very very rarely (certainly not the way the league is going) and not usually on defense minded hard hat teams. And injuries usually affect totals.
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Post by mikeb on Jun 20, 2005 7:46:15 GMT -5
Any scorer who scored 18 goals at 17 without any legit centerman of 1st or 2nd line quality is expected to score 30 goals at 19. Common sense.... Not necessarily, some guys mature faster or slower than average. Maybe the player in question reached his full offensive potential at 17. That happens a lot. Good common sense!
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Post by mikeb on Jun 20, 2005 7:48:50 GMT -5
And what did they do as 17 YOs in the Q? You should connect these two stats together rather than trying to be a jerk. You are actually the only one I read in the last two months disputing that Beauregard might be a sniper in the Q this year. Pretty weak and petty comments on your part about a guy who will make you swallow every word you just wrote about him when comes September You're missing the point of what I'm saying. I think Beauregard can be a 30 goal man next season. What I was questionning is mikeb justifying it by saying he scored 3 in 5 games projected to 42 over 70 games. To make projections on 5 games vs 47 games is a big difference...mike was probably just trying to be an ass. Trying to be sarcastic. And sarcasm by it's nature means that it really isn't there as a debatable item.
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Post by PotatoesRGoodYum on Jun 20, 2005 9:03:42 GMT -5
You guys saw Bourque play what 3 games at the WJC and are already proclaiming him to be a 30 goal scorer who will replace Bernier's goal scoring
also 26 in 61 does not equate to 30 over 70.. it equates to 29.8 ;D
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 20, 2005 9:22:19 GMT -5
You guys saw Bourque play what 3 games at the WJC and are already proclaiming him to be a 30 goal scorer who will replace Bernier's goal scoring also 26 in 61 does not equate to 30 over 70.. it equates to 29.8 ;D Bourque is well known by scouts, just the fact that he was drafted in the 2nd round and made the US WJHC at 5'8" leads me to believe he has a lot of skill...plus what he did at the WJHC and NCAA.
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Post by mikeb on Jun 20, 2005 10:42:15 GMT -5
You guys saw Bourque play what 3 games at the WJC and are already proclaiming him to be a 30 goal scorer who will replace Bernier's goal scoring also 26 in 61 does not equate to 30 over 70.. it equates to 29.8 ;D Bourque is well known by scouts, just the fact that he was drafted in the 2nd round and made the US WJHC at 5'8" leads me to believe he has a lot of skill...plus what he did at the WJHC and NCAA. To take my sarcasm a step further.... Wow that certainly means way more than what Beauregard did as a 17YO IN THE Q and who was not played regularly on the first line by Paiement who used him as his whipping boy. Guess those 5 games do mean nothing... .
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 20, 2005 11:38:16 GMT -5
An interesting parallel can be drawn with Karsums and Beauregard ... both put up impressive numbers at 17 ... both missed a large part of the season at 18 ... both will be expected to lead offensively at 19 with 30 to 40 goals. Oh wait ... Beauregard's career high is only 18 goals ... 37 in his entire career ... scratch the parallel ...
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