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Post by chootoi on Sept 3, 2006 23:39:04 GMT -5
Trevor Lewis, the 17th pick in the NHL draft this year has been allowed to play for Owen Sound of the OHL after signing with them, despite being from Utah, a state designated to the WHL's drafting region. the Spokane Chiefs apparently held his WHL rights and aren't too happy about this. story here: www.spokanechiefs.com/news/?ID=1511although this has no direct affect on the QMJHL for now it brings up an interesting scenario.... the OHL is being sanctioned for the move, but ultimately all they will be doing is paying a bit more for a top end talent. could this potentially grow into a much larger problem of poaching players from other leagues? IMO the CHL really dropped the ball here, and if they aren't careful, they could have a big mess on their hands.
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 4, 2006 9:31:47 GMT -5
Trevor Lewis, the 17th pick in the NHL draft this year has been allowed to play for Owen Sound of the OHL after signing with them, despite being from Utah, a state designated to the WHL's drafting region. the Spokane Chiefs apparently held his WHL rights and aren't too happy about this. story here: www.spokanechiefs.com/news/?ID=1511although this has no direct affect on the QMJHL for now it brings up an interesting scenario.... the OHL is being sanctioned for the move, but ultimately all they will be doing is paying a bit more for a top end talent. could this potentially grow into a much larger problem of poaching players from other leagues? IMO the CHL really dropped the ball here, and if they aren't careful, they could have a big mess on their hands. The problem I see for the Q in this is that the OHL (and WHL) could steal away US born players that don't want to move into french only communities.
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Post by damina on Sept 4, 2006 18:28:27 GMT -5
I do not see a problem about the French Communities and Trevor Lewis, "Lewis" is clearly a Francophone name, he could have just as easily suited up in Val d'or !
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Post by forrest on Sept 5, 2006 5:38:41 GMT -5
If this is the guy I'm thinking about, the story is more complicated than what was found in this small article.
I remember reading about a guy who went undrafted in the WHL because he didn't want to play there. No team in the WHL had drafted him and he was not on any team's protected list. When he finally decided not to play in the US Colleges, he signed as a free agent with a team in the WHL. But before he signed, there is a team in the WHL that heard about this and put him on their protected list.
I'm not informed a lot on the story, and I'm not even certain this is the guy, but I read something about that not long ago.
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Post by forrest on Sept 5, 2006 5:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Sept 5, 2006 6:52:37 GMT -5
The OHL might be opening up a nasty can of worms there. Teams like Moncton Halifax Gatineau and Quebec could sign players from their territory on their protected lists.
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Post by Bobo_Sinclair on Sept 5, 2006 7:17:07 GMT -5
Seems pretty crooked to me. The governor of the CHL, who is also governor of the OHL, rules for the OHL and then they say that the rules will be changed so that something like this can't happend again.
Something like the Danecek story where the Remparts didn't get anything against them except the league saying we'll make the rules so it doesn't happend again. It's not right, but it's also unpunished.
Anyways, I'm sure the OHL will pay for this, if not legally, then I'm sure the WHL will make every effort possible to impede anything the OHL does that the WHL can influence. And you know, I think it's just right.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Sept 5, 2006 7:37:11 GMT -5
Seems pretty crooked to me. The governor of the CHL, who is also governor of the OHL, rules for the OHL and then they say that the rules will be changed so that something like this can't happend again. Something like the Danecek story where the Remparts didn't get anything against them except the league saying we'll make the rules so it doesn't happend again. It's not right, but it's also unpunished. Anyways, I'm sure the OHL will pay for this, if not legally, then I'm sure the WHL will make every effort possible to impede anything the OHL does that the WHL can influence. And you know, I think it's just right. The Q could not punish Quebec because they did nothing wrong according to the rules. It's the same as the Halifax-Cape Breton trade.
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Post by Bobo_Sinclair on Sept 5, 2006 8:29:17 GMT -5
The Q could not punish Quebec because they did nothing wrong according to the rules. It's the same as the Halifax-Cape Breton trade. I know, and the same applies to this situation apparently. But it still sucks for everyone involved (except the team that is advantaged) and that's when right/wrong comes into the question, and if you can punish something that though is not againts the rules, is knowingly wrong. But how do we decide right and wrong, bla bla bla. So on. Ahhhh, the business side of hockey. Dog eats dog.
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Post by brec7 on Sept 5, 2006 8:59:37 GMT -5
I`m not really understanding what the controversy is here. From what I gather based on the article, Lewis wasn`t drafted by anyone and then was signed into the OHL. The article posted seems to indicate Spokane signed him after he was already signed by Owen Sound... seems to me this is a simple case of Spokane just not doing their homework here. Players who fall into the western region have been signing with teams in other leagues for years. (David Victor & Riley Whitlock being two random examples.) Am I missing something?
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 5, 2006 9:08:14 GMT -5
The Q could not punish Quebec because they did nothing wrong according to the rules. It's the same as the Halifax-Cape Breton trade. I know, and the same applies to this situation apparently. But it still sucks for everyone involved (except the team that is advantaged) and that's when right/wrong comes into the question, and if you can punish something that though is not againts the rules, is knowingly wrong. But how do we decide right and wrong, bla bla bla. So on. Ahhhh, the business side of hockey. Dog eats dog. Nobody gained any advantage from that incident ... it was blown way out of proportion. Quebec simply tried to create an option for themselves by having Vic draft a Euro that they would trade to get if they needed him. They agreed to pay the kids travel in exchange for that option. They did not trade money for a player ... and never acquired the player. Vic and Shaw actually benefitted from that arrangement more than anybody as that player probably would not be in NA and available to be traded if Quebec hadn't been involved. The kid gets traded to Shaw ... and Shaw lines up with Quebec in the playoffs ... and proceeds to make a stink because Quebec had bought a plane ticket for the kid. An agreement that was made way back in June 2005 ... that caused a little trouble in May 2006. I see nothing wrong with what Quebec did ... in fact ... I wish we had a GM that was crafty like Patrick Roy is ... Patrick isn't afraid to stretch the rules to the limits to gain an advantage ... all the good GM's do that. The GM's that are great at building 0.500 teams stick to the rules and teh spirit of the rules and find they get nowhere. I'll take a Patrick Roy, Doris Labonte or Marcel Patenaude as my GM any day ... would you rather have Allan Power ?
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Sept 5, 2006 9:28:16 GMT -5
I`m not really understanding what the controversy is here. From what I gather based on the article, Lewis wasn`t drafted by anyone and then was signed into the OHL. The article posted seems to indicate Spokane signed him after he was already signed by Owen Sound... seems to me this is a simple case of Spokane just not doing their homework here. Players who fall into the western region have been signing with teams in other leagues for years. (David Victor & Riley Whitlock being two random examples.) Am I missing something? I think the controversy is from the fact that he was on Spokane's protected list when signed by Owen Sound. In the Q, in order to add a player to your list(17 year olds and up), you have to get them to sign something, not sure if that applies in the WHL or not.
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 5, 2006 9:54:56 GMT -5
I`m not really understanding what the controversy is here. From what I gather based on the article, Lewis wasn`t drafted by anyone and then was signed into the OHL. The article posted seems to indicate Spokane signed him after he was already signed by Owen Sound... seems to me this is a simple case of Spokane just not doing their homework here. Players who fall into the western region have been signing with teams in other leagues for years. (David Victor & Riley Whitlock being two random examples.) Am I missing something? I think the controversy is from the fact that he was on Spokane's protected list when signed by Owen Sound. In the Q, in order to add a player to your list(17 year olds and up), you have to get them to sign something, not sure if that applies in the WHL or not. I agree ... it doesn't say anything about Spokane drafting Lewis ... it just says they added him to their protected list. You can't just arbitrarily add a kid to your list and claim him to be your's. In the Q you have to get consent from a kid to add him to your list ... thats how we got Marquardt while several other teams wanted him. If you draft the kid that is different ... you own his CHL rights until he is 19 ... then you have to either sign him, waive him or trade him. But here is a question ... last year Chicoutimi owned Yandle ... they lost him in the expansion draft but lets pretend there was no expansion draft. Yandle was 19 so he'd have to go on waivers if Chicoutimi couldn't convince him to report. So another team grabs him off waivers ... like Gatineau lets say. They try and convince him to report but he says no ... so they too have to release him. If Yandle didn't want to play in the Q at all but was open to playing in the OHL, all he would have to do (I think) is play that waiting game so that an OHL team could get him after clearing Q waivers. Correct ? It would seem that it is quite easy to be able circumvent the system to wind up on the team you want to play for. Am I missing something ?
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Post by jimmy on Sept 5, 2006 10:20:42 GMT -5
I think the controversy is from the fact that he was on Spokane's protected list when signed by Owen Sound. In the Q, in order to add a player to your list(17 year olds and up), you have to get them to sign something, not sure if that applies in the WHL or not. I agree ... it doesn't say anything about Spokane drafting Lewis ... it just says they added him to their protected list. You can't just arbitrarily add a kid to your list and claim him to be your's. In the Q you have to get consent from a kid to add him to your list ... thats how we got Marquardt while several other teams wanted him. If you draft the kid that is different ... you own his CHL rights until he is 19 ... then you have to either sign him, waive him or trade him. But here is a question ... last year Chicoutimi owned Yandle ... they lost him in the expansion draft but lets pretend there was no expansion draft. Yandle was 19 so he'd have to go on waivers if Chicoutimi couldn't convince him to report. So another team grabs him off waivers ... like Gatineau lets say. They try and convince him to report but he says no ... so they too have to release him. If Yandle didn't want to play in the Q at all but was open to playing in the OHL, all he would have to do (I think) is play that waiting game so that an OHL team could get him after clearing Q waivers. Correct ? It would seem that it is quite easy to be able circumvent the system to wind up on the team you want to play for. Am I missing something ? I thought the 19 year old waiver rule applied only to players who had been in the Q previously or guys you wanted off your 50 man list ... meaning a guy like Bourque or Yandle who had never showed were exempt and could be held on your 50 man list without being waived...
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Sept 5, 2006 10:25:57 GMT -5
I think the controversy is from the fact that he was on Spokane's protected list when signed by Owen Sound. In the Q, in order to add a player to your list(17 year olds and up), you have to get them to sign something, not sure if that applies in the WHL or not. I agree ... it doesn't say anything about Spokane drafting Lewis ... it just says they added him to their protected list. You can't just arbitrarily add a kid to your list and claim him to be your's. In the Q you have to get consent from a kid to add him to your list ... thats how we got Marquardt while several other teams wanted him. If you draft the kid that is different ... you own his CHL rights until he is 19 ... then you have to either sign him, waive him or trade him. But here is a question ... last year Chicoutimi owned Yandle ... they lost him in the expansion draft but lets pretend there was no expansion draft. Yandle was 19 so he'd have to go on waivers if Chicoutimi couldn't convince him to report. So another team grabs him off waivers ... like Gatineau lets say. They try and convince him to report but he says no ... so they too have to release him. If Yandle didn't want to play in the Q at all but was open to playing in the OHL, all he would have to do (I think) is play that waiting game so that an OHL team could get him after clearing Q waivers. Correct ? It would seem that it is quite easy to be able circumvent the system to wind up on the team you want to play for. Am I missing something ? If Yandle did not agree to report to Chicoutimi(or Gatineau or Moncton)he does not have to go on waivers because they can just offer him a contract, he declines to sign because he wants to play at Maine or New Hampshire. They keep him on their list like the Cats did with Bourque. The players on waivers are ones that the team did not want to use a 25 man roster spot on. I think that's where the Fullerton situation will get complicated.
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