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Post by gametime on Dec 20, 2005 7:50:11 GMT -5
How should the league deal with the referee in Chicoutimi?
Does he carry any of the responsibility for not requesting security to usher some people out.
I have seen it done before, in other rinks.
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Post by Wildbruins© on Dec 20, 2005 7:54:09 GMT -5
Ive seen Andrew Caruthers refuse to drop the puck till they escorted my buddy out.
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Post by bayboy on Dec 20, 2005 8:49:42 GMT -5
I would think that the ref, if he believes the players or coach whatever to be threatened, would have the right to call the game.
certainly a stoppage until the problems have been tossed out on their collective asses.
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Post by joe on Dec 20, 2005 9:10:08 GMT -5
Well, with that being said and the fact that national television footage shows Nowlan pointing the fans out to the referee, the league may need to suspend or fire the referee.
I think that with the amount of expsoure this has, hiring a couple more security guards is not going to fly.
Fire the security company and the referee, send a message.
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Post by bikerboy on Dec 20, 2005 9:31:03 GMT -5
The Ref is as Guilty as the poeple that done it . it was the Refs call to have the poeple get out or not do nothing . Suspension Fine Fire Him i SAY .
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Post by bayboy on Dec 20, 2005 9:42:31 GMT -5
MY opinion is that there were a lot of people responsible for this infringement on Nolan's rights, and violation of his personal safety and state of mind.
the fans that actually did it, the fans that enjoyed and egged them on, the security for not taking action, the ownership and management for not stepping in and making security do something, and the ref for not exercising his authority and calling the game.
maybe the league should step in and say, "the WCs played under duress, therefore were thrown off their game, and the sags must forfeit the game, mainly because of ownership and management failing to protect the visiting team.
it's time the league admitted and corrected what we know of this incident, that a lot of people had dirty hands in it
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Post by gametime on Dec 20, 2005 9:53:56 GMT -5
Excellent point, make them give up 2 points, that will force the team to deal with it.
I like it.
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Post by jimmy on Dec 20, 2005 10:02:33 GMT -5
Excellent point, make them give up 2 points, that will force the team to deal with it. I like it. I don't think that is the right approach, at least not on its own. Chicoutimi fans have a rep for these types of incidents, not necessarily racially motivated, but throwing stuff at visiting teams, on the ice, and generally crossing the line. To prevent future incidents (which is probably the goal moreso than punishment), the league should mandate the team to hire police officers (and not just rent-a-cops) in appropriate quantities for all home games. Furthermore, as a preventative and punitive measure, they should ban and or place strict limits on the sale of alcoholic beverages in the building during games. That would both cut down on drunken bozos, and hit the team in the wallet. Finally, the video should be reviewed in detail, and any fan found to have behaved inappropriately should be banned from the rink for at least the remainder of the season, let the team confiscate their season tickets if need be as well.
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Post by gametime on Dec 20, 2005 10:05:16 GMT -5
Yes,
And take away the 2 points!
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 20, 2005 10:30:43 GMT -5
Excellent point, make them give up 2 points, that will force the team to deal with it. I like it. I don't think that is the right approach, at least not on its own. Chicoutimi fans have a rep for these types of incidents, not necessarily racially motivated, but throwing stuff at visiting teams, on the ice, and generally crossing the line. To prevent future incidents (which is probably the goal moreso than punishment), the league should mandate the team to hire police officers (and not just rent-a-cops) in appropriate quantities for all home games. Furthermore, as a preventative and punitive measure, they should ban and or place strict limits on the sale of alcoholic beverages in the building during games. That would both cut down on drunken bozos, and hit the team in the wallet. Finally, the video should be reviewed in detail, and any fan found to have behaved inappropriately should be banned from the rink for at least the remainder of the season, let the team confiscate their season tickets if need be as well. Many rinks have wet and dry sections ... so some people don't have to sit in and around rowdy drunks. The Q should put a rule in place that all sections behind both benches be considered "dry". Our rink has a reputation also for being very rowdy around the visitors bench ... and measures have had to have been put in place in the past to attempt to control it. I'm not suggesting that this area tosses out racial slurs but I know that quite often there are things yelled toward the bench that do cross the line between "harmless fun" and "disgusting comments". These fans think they are helping the team by trying to get the visitors off their game ... but really all they are doing is sinking to the level (almost) of Chicoutimi. We need to clean up our house too.
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Post by Wildbruins© on Dec 20, 2005 10:38:10 GMT -5
Well I changed my season ticket for section 23 to section 4 so Im no longer one of the asses from next to the visiting bench. I got tired of it. plus the view is way more obstructed after they took out the extra 2 1/2 feet on each side
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Post by Tom on Dec 20, 2005 11:31:35 GMT -5
Excellent post Steve, I did not have the nerve to post something similar but I am glad someone did.
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Post by bystander on Dec 20, 2005 11:48:42 GMT -5
I agree Steve..man 2 days in a row your my hero
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Post by Mac_27 on Dec 20, 2005 12:04:52 GMT -5
I don't think that is the right approach, at least not on its own. Chicoutimi fans have a rep for these types of incidents, not necessarily racially motivated, but throwing stuff at visiting teams, on the ice, and generally crossing the line. To prevent future incidents (which is probably the goal moreso than punishment), the league should mandate the team to hire police officers (and not just rent-a-cops) in appropriate quantities for all home games. Furthermore, as a preventative and punitive measure, they should ban and or place strict limits on the sale of alcoholic beverages in the building during games. That would both cut down on drunken bozos, and hit the team in the wallet. Finally, the video should be reviewed in detail, and any fan found to have behaved inappropriately should be banned from the rink for at least the remainder of the season, let the team confiscate their season tickets if need be as well. Many rinks have wet and dry sections ... so some people don't have to sit in and around rowdy drunks. The Q should put a rule in place that all sections behind both benches be considered "dry". Our rink has a reputation also for being very rowdy around the visitors bench ... and measures have had to have been put in place in the past to attempt to control it. I'm not suggesting that this area tosses out racial slurs but I know that quite often there are things yelled toward the bench that do cross the line between "harmless fun" and "disgusting comments". These fans think they are helping the team by trying to get the visitors off their game ... but really all they are doing is sinking to the level (almost) of Chicoutimi. We need to clean up our house too. I think that they have done a fairly good job at cleaning the area behind the bench! Val use to sit in section 23 and was banned from the surrounding area of the visitors bench. There was another gentleman who use to sit in the row right behind the bench who when went to renew his season tickets they said he can sit anywhere but behind the visitors bench. The group of half a dozen fans or so that sit beside the bench has pretty much all left that area! Like Wildbruins said he moved to section 4. I think on the odd night out of them all maybe 2 or 3 of them sit there. And they don't yell... one of them likes to have conversations with the other teams assistant coaches though! And for the rowdy fans that have been sitting back there this season. Well from where I sit I can hear some of them yell... And I can't recall anything being said about a player, coach, or any visiting team staff that would be considered bad enough to remove them from the area! So I think they've done a good job removing the rowdy fans that take things to far out of the sections!
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Post by CaptainMoose on Dec 20, 2005 12:14:14 GMT -5
How should the league deal with the referee in Chicoutimi? Does he carry any of the responsibility for not requesting security to usher some people out. I have seen it done before, in other rinks. The referee can instruct building Security to remove the offending fan and I have seen WHL refs refuse to being play again until it's done, as for the Q, i've only been to Moncton and cant really speak for your guys security, but I do remember Bernie protesting outside of Metro Centre for a couple of weeks for being barred from the building for being abusive to other teams.
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