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Post by SteveUL on Aug 23, 2005 12:25:25 GMT -5
Here is a list of the 19 yr olds that are still in camp (correct me if there are errors) ... taken from the Wildcats press release on who was attending training camp.
Goalies:
Matt Leduc - 19
Defense:
Andrew MacDonald - 19 (is he 18 or 19 ?) Brayden Penner - 19 Jean-Sebastien Adam - 19 Maxime Belanger - 19 Nathan Welton - 19 Scott Judson - 19
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Bobby Mazerolle - 19 Chris Gaudet - 19 Shawn Clinton - 19
Wing:
Adam Pineault - 19 Stephane Goulet - 19 Stephen Obelnicki - 19 Taylor Moore - 19 Tim Spencer - 19 Yan Ouimet - 19
Yesterday we placed Stanson Donovan on waivers ... which is sensible I guess ... and one of the Kellers ... although it was my understanding that they both left camp anyway. We've also apparently made a decision on Moore and Spencer and have signed them ... a little premature in my thinking (maybe Nolan held a closed door fighting tourny where he could check these guys out ?) ... Moore can't skate and is useless with the puck so he must be able to fight (I hope).
But my question is ... what about all of these other 19 yr old guys like Leduc, Mazerolle, Ouimet, Judson, Penner, Obelnicki, Clinton ... I don't think we will be keeping them all ... so why weren't they put on the waiver list ? Why Donovan (and Keller) and none of these other guys ? Keeping guys like Ouimet seems redundant when Moore and Spencer are already signed up. Will Mazerolle play 3rd line ? ... ahead of who ? We traded for Blouin who has been the 2nd best goaltender in camp ... ahead of Leduc and the rest ... why is Leduc not on waivers ?
Are we to assume we are keeping all of these 19 yr olds and leaving no room for guys like Chabot and Eagles ?
I'm trying to understand this 19 yr old waiver rule ... why do some have to be waived while others seemingly don't have to ?
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Post by sam on Aug 23, 2005 12:44:23 GMT -5
what about daniel calitri isnt he 19
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Post by Wild74 on Aug 23, 2005 12:55:21 GMT -5
what about daniel calitri isnt he 19 It said '18' in the Press Release that listed all the players attending the training camp.
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Post by sam on Aug 23, 2005 12:56:06 GMT -5
ok thanks
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Aug 23, 2005 13:08:04 GMT -5
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Post by Wild74 on Aug 23, 2005 13:16:27 GMT -5
That site must be wrong, because it said '18' on the press release! ;D
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Post by sam on Aug 23, 2005 13:22:55 GMT -5
he just turned 19 last wk
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Post by Make 15 on Aug 23, 2005 14:43:51 GMT -5
Here is a list of the 19 yr olds that are still in camp (correct me if there are errors) ... taken from the Wildcats press release on who was attending training camp. Goalies: Matt Leduc - 19 Defense: Andrew MacDonald - 19 (is he 18 or 19 ?) Brayden Penner - 19 Jean-Sebastien Adam - 19 Maxime Belanger - 19 Nathan Welton - 19 Scott Judson - 19 Center: Bobby Mazerolle - 19 Chris Gaudet - 19 Shawn Clinton - 19 Wing: Adam Pineault - 19 Stephane Goulet - 19 Stephen Obelnicki - 19 Taylor Moore - 19 Tim Spencer - 19 Yan Ouimet - 19 Yesterday we placed Stanson Donovan on waivers ... which is sensible I guess ... and one of the Kellers ... although it was my understanding that they both left camp anyway. We've also apparently made a decision on Moore and Spencer and have signed them ... a little premature in my thinking (maybe Nolan held a closed door fighting tourny where he could check these guys out ?) ... Moore can't skate and is useless with the puck so he must be able to fight (I hope). But my question is ... what about all of these other 19 yr old guys like Leduc, Mazerolle, Ouimet, Judson, Penner, Obelnicki, Clinton ... I don't think we will be keeping them all ... so why weren't they put on the waiver list ? Why Donovan (and Keller) and none of these other guys ? Keeping guys like Ouimet seems redundant when Moore and Spencer are already signed up. Will Mazerolle play 3rd line ? ... ahead of who ? We traded for Blouin who has been the 2nd best goaltender in camp ... ahead of Leduc and the rest ... why is Leduc not on waivers ? Are we to assume we are keeping all of these 19 yr olds and leaving no room for guys like Chabot and Eagles ? I'm trying to understand this 19 yr old waiver rule ... why do some have to be waived while others seemingly don't have to ? It was my understanding that you had to waive any 19 year old that you weren't planning on keeping on the 55-man protected list. Still makes no sense to me why we waived a good face-off man like Donovan but kept some of these other useless 19 year olds, ie: Leduc, Judson, Ouimet, Mazerolle.
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Post by MikeC on Aug 23, 2005 20:10:55 GMT -5
It was my understanding that you had to waive any 19 year old that you weren't planning on keeping on the 55-man protected list. Still makes no sense to me why we waived a good face-off man like Donovan but kept some of these other useless 19 year olds, ie: Leduc, Judson, Ouimet, Mazerolle. When the Q announced the 19 year old waiver draft, I was under the impression that any 19 year olds that you weren't offering a QMJHL contract to had to be clear waivers in order for them to remain on your 55 man list. But the T&T today made it sound like you said: the waiver rule is for 19 year olds you don't want on your 55 man list. But that doesn't make much sense; I thought this draft is supposed to help the borderline 19 year olds who can't crack their own teams line up find a place in the Q to play. Chances are teams are going to want to keep the borderline 19 year olds on their 55 man list in case of injury. As for the other 19 year olds at Moncton's camp, are all of them actually on Moncton's 55 man list? If not, then obviously they wouldn't be included in this draft. I don't understand why guys like Leduc and Judson don't have to clear waivers. I can't imagine Moncton's offered them a full Quebec league contract. Does anyone know the actual rule? I couldn't find the press release in the Q site archives.
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Post by Pong on Aug 23, 2005 20:19:48 GMT -5
Still makes no sense to me why we waived a good face-off man like Donovan. Hope he gets a shot somewhere else-he seems to be willing to do whatever is asked of him.He was the only offense on his Midget AAA team but accepted a checking role on the Cats-and seemed to do OK to me. I'd be interested to see what he could do with a fresh start.Saint John-no,Larue's there...maybe The Rock will give him a chance.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 24, 2005 11:05:24 GMT -5
It was my understanding that you had to waive any 19 year old that you weren't planning on keeping on the 55-man protected list. Still makes no sense to me why we waived a good face-off man like Donovan but kept some of these other useless 19 year olds, ie: Leduc, Judson, Ouimet, Mazerolle. When the Q announced the 19 year old waiver draft, I was under the impression that any 19 year olds that you weren't offering a QMJHL contract to had to be clear waivers in order for them to remain on your 55 man list. But the T&T today made it sound like you said: the waiver rule is for 19 year olds you don't want on your 55 man list. But that doesn't make much sense; I thought this draft is supposed to help the borderline 19 year olds who can't crack their own teams line up find a place in the Q to play. Chances are teams are going to want to keep the borderline 19 year olds on their 55 man list in case of injury. As for the other 19 year olds at Moncton's camp, are all of them actually on Moncton's 55 man list? If not, then obviously they wouldn't be included in this draft. I don't understand why guys like Leduc and Judson don't have to clear waivers. I can't imagine Moncton's offered them a full Quebec league contract. Does anyone know the actual rule? I couldn't find the press release in the Q site archives. I'm guessing you are correct. All of these FA's that are coming in aren't on our 55 man list ... just here for a tryout. So until they sign a Q player card they don't have to be placed on waivers when released from camp. Thats my guess anyways. But it doesn't explain Ouimet, Mazzerole, Leduc and Judson. Judson is injured and so he may fall under a different clause ... but it would seem that we have signed the other 3 to player cards .. I noticed (pointed out to me actually) Mazzerole had a red helmet last night while he has worn a black helmet all through camp. I wonder if that means he was given new gear ? Mazzerole has come to camp much bigger and stronger than last year ... and is working hard to get noticed ... sort of like he did in his first camp. Ouimet took shifts on defense last night as well as forward ... he has some good moments but is really a one-dimensional guy. If the FA's are better at the enforcer role then there appears to be no place for him. Leduc has played well with some spectacular saves last night ... but Blouin has been equal to him and seems a little more polished. Similar stature but Blouin is a year younger. Riopel also looks good and played great last night ... but another year of MAAA will do him well. Blouin would be a CEGEP kid who was not released on the specified date (Cote-Vallieres was) ... and Leduc would seem to qualify for waivers if he isn't signed to a card. Does this mean we will carry 3 goaltenders for awhile ? One other thought on waivers ... why was one Keller waived and not the other ? Both left camp to protect NCAA elegibility. Has one of them perhaps played games in the CHL (signed a CHL card at some point) which requires that he clear waivers ?
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Aug 24, 2005 12:14:19 GMT -5
I'm guessing they offered the other Keller a contract but he opted to keep his NCAA option, the other they would not have signed him.
I wonder if 19 year olds that did not ass through this waiver draft have to go through waiver when sent down to Jr.A(Leduc Mazerolle Judson Ouimet for example).
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Post by MikeC on Aug 24, 2005 14:19:56 GMT -5
I'm guessing they offered the other Keller a contract but he opted to keep his NCAA option, the other they would not have signed him. I wonder if 19 year olds that did not ass through this waiver draft have to go through waiver when sent down to Jr.A(Leduc Mazerolle Judson Ouimet for example). Wouldn't all the other 19 year olds (Mazerolle, Ouimet, etc) now have to be kept until the X-mas trading period, since they must have been offered a contract?
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 24, 2005 14:34:01 GMT -5
I'm guessing they offered the other Keller a contract but he opted to keep his NCAA option, the other they would not have signed him. I wonder if 19 year olds that did not ass through this waiver draft have to go through waiver when sent down to Jr.A(Leduc Mazerolle Judson Ouimet for example). Wouldn't all the other 19 year olds (Mazerolle, Ouimet, etc) now have to be kept until the X-mas trading period, since they must have been offered a contract? No .. I think they can be sent down at anytime ... but you have to use up a player card now that the Monday deadline has past if you didn't put them on waivers. I think Judson being injured gives him an exception on this though. Once they are sent down they still have to clear waivers.
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Post by MikeC on Aug 24, 2005 15:14:51 GMT -5
Wouldn't all the other 19 year olds (Mazerolle, Ouimet, etc) now have to be kept until the X-mas trading period, since they must have been offered a contract? No .. I think they can be sent down at anytime ... but you have to use up a player card now that the Monday deadline has past if you didn't put them on waivers. I think Judson being injured gives him an exception on this though. Once they are sent down they still have to clear waivers. Ok, gotcha. The first part of your post makes sense. As for the 2nd part, I don't think they immediately have to clear waivers, I don't think that happens until the Xmas trading period.
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