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Post by MacKevin on Jun 23, 2006 11:07:56 GMT -5
;D I agree with steve that Samson has the similar skill to Downey. To me you give samson a centreman the Quality of Dupuis to play with I think he could get 80 with possible of 30-40 goals. Most under rated player I feel Samson is. I'm sure hoping Bordon make Vancouver next year From a Cats standpoint, it's much much better for Bourdon not to make the Canucks. Billy, there is somethings I agree with you on and there is are some I don't and nothing in between. I hope and wish every day the Bourdon makes the NHL.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 23, 2006 11:08:29 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Downie is a better skater and has a better offensive game. Peterborough played like crap at the Mem Cup but in the regular season Downie scored as many points as Samson did in just over half as many games. He also had 6 points at last year's World Juniors (I think he may have scored the winner in the Gold Medal game). Don't get me wrong, I think Samson is a great hockey player and I wish Halifax had him, but there's a reason Downie was an NHL 1st round pick, made the WJ team, and may even crack Philly's opening day roster next year and Samson wasn't, didn't, and won't. Peterborough did play like crap but Steve Downie did also ... and Downie gets all sorts of opportunities on Peterborough that Samson did not get in Moncton in his predominant checking role. Downie is slow footed for a guy of his size ... I expected alot more from him from all the hype that surrounds him ... but I was severely disappointed ... not to mention the fact that he is a loose cannon that takes stupid penalties. Steve Downie couldn't carry Phil Dupuis' bag ... and Samson will be as good as Dupuis at 20 if he is given an offensive role at 19. Downie is a very good checking forward ... his pest skills make him better than Samson in that role. But Samson's offensive game is untapped. Downie is also 2 years younger than Dupuis (same age as Samson). Someone mentioned that if Samson was put with a center like Dupuis, he would score many more goals/points. Well, Downie IS that center that makes his linemates point totals increase.
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Post by MacKevin on Jun 23, 2006 11:16:21 GMT -5
Peterborough did play like crap but Steve Downie did also ... and Downie gets all sorts of opportunities on Peterborough that Samson did not get in Moncton in his predominant checking role. Downie is slow footed for a guy of his size ... I expected alot more from him from all the hype that surrounds him ... but I was severely disappointed ... not to mention the fact that he is a loose cannon that takes stupid penalties. Steve Downie couldn't carry Phil Dupuis' bag ... and Samson will be as good as Dupuis at 20 if he is given an offensive role at 19. Downie is a very good checking forward ... his pest skills make him better than Samson in that role. But Samson's offensive game is untapped. Downie is also 2 years younger than Dupuis (same age as Samson). Someone mentioned that if Samson was put with a center like Dupuis, he would score many more goals/points. Well, Downie IS that center that makes his linemates point totals increase. You keep missing the point that Samson played his defensive role and but had offense at the same time. If he was being used in a first line offensive capacity, he would have better numbers than Downie. Count me in with those that wondered what all the Downie excitement was about. He was an easily shutdown non event at the cup.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 23, 2006 11:22:27 GMT -5
From a Cats standpoint, it's much much better for Bourdon not to make the Canucks. Billy, there is somethings I agree with you on and there is are some I don't and nothing in between. I hope and wish every day the Bourdon makes the NHL. While I don't want to see Samson go ... Bourdon's value in a trade will bring much more than Samson would. We get Samson until Xmas regardless ... and if Bourdon makes the NHL then Samson could very well be traded somewhere else at Xmas but for a significantly smaller return than Bourdon would bring. Its better for the team in the long run if Boudon returns ... better for our rebuilding.
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Post by MacKevin on Jun 23, 2006 11:25:40 GMT -5
Billy, there is somethings I agree with you on and there is are some I don't and nothing in between. I hope and wish every day the Bourdon makes the NHL. While I don't want to see Samson go ... Bourdon's value in a trade will bring much more than Samson would. We get Samson until Xmas regardless ... and if Bourdon makes the NHL then Samson could very well be traded somewhere else at Xmas but for a significantly smaller return than Bourdon would bring. Its better for the team in the long run if Boudon returns ... better for our rebuilding. Your right.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 23, 2006 11:30:25 GMT -5
If he was being used in a first line offensive capacity, he would have better numbers than Downie. That is where I believe you are wrong. Samson is going to be used in a first line role this year, and I don't think he's going to score at the 100 point pace that Downie was on last year.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 23, 2006 11:50:28 GMT -5
If he was being used in a first line offensive capacity, he would have better numbers than Downie. That is where I believe you are wrong. Samson is going to be used in a first line role this year, and I don't think he's going to score at the 100 point pace that Downie was on last year. No ... he probably won't ... because he won't have the same quality of players to play with. Would Downie score on a 100 pt pace playing in Saint John ?
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 23, 2006 12:14:53 GMT -5
From a Cats standpoint, it's much much better for Bourdon not to make the Canucks. Billy, there is somethings I agree with you on and there is are some I don't and nothing in between. I hope and wish every day the Bourdon makes the NHL. That's fine for you personally...but I'm sure the WC organisation is hoping dearly that Bourdon is back in Moncton so they can trade him and accelerate the rebuilding process.
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Post by MacKevin on Jun 23, 2006 12:20:59 GMT -5
Billy, there is somethings I agree with you on and there is are some I don't and nothing in between. I hope and wish every day the Bourdon makes the NHL. That's fine for you personally...but I'm sure the WC organisation is hoping dearly that Bourdon is back in Moncton so they can trade him and accelerate the rebuilding process. WC organisation? who are they. I thought they have been moved to NY and StFX.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 23, 2006 12:27:24 GMT -5
That's fine for you personally...but I'm sure the WC organisation is hoping dearly that Bourdon is back in Moncton so they can trade him and accelerate the rebuilding process. WC organisation? who are they. I thought they have been moved to NY and StFX. Robert Irving Peter Nevin and the rest of the scouting staff...I'm sure the new coach/GM will want Bourdon back also.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 23, 2006 13:07:42 GMT -5
That is where I believe you are wrong. Samson is going to be used in a first line role this year, and I don't think he's going to score at the 100 point pace that Downie was on last year. No ... he probably won't ... because he won't have the same quality of players to play with. Would Downie score on a 100 pt pace playing in Saint John ? Hard to say. Would David Brine have scored 100 points if he had been in Moncton this year sharing all the prime ice time with other players? Downie at 17 did score 73 points in 61 games on a Windsor team that finished 7th in their conference (15 out of 20 overall). I truly find it hard to believe that some of you are actually saying that a Samson is better than a player that was drafted in the 1st round and was one of the better players on the World Junior team last year. Downie was the number 1 center on the OHL Champion team. Samson was a 3rd line winger on the QMJHL Champion team.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 23, 2006 13:14:06 GMT -5
No ... he probably won't ... because he won't have the same quality of players to play with. Would Downie score on a 100 pt pace playing in Saint John ? Hard to say. Would David Brine have scored 100 points if he had been in Moncton this year sharing all the prime ice time with other players? Downie at 17 did score 73 points in 61 games on a Windsor team that finished 7th in their conference (15 out of 20 overall). I truly find it hard to believe that some of you are actually saying that a Samson is better than a player that was drafted in the 1st round and was one of the better players on the World Junior team last year. Downie was the number 1 center on the OHL Champion team. Samson was a 3rd line winger on the QMJHL Champion team. Brine could have been close to 100 pts here as he would have been that 2nd line center we were looking for ... he might not get the same amount of PP time here ... but he'd play alot more 5 on 5 on offense rather than defending. The Peterborough team we saw in the Mem Cup would have been about 5th best in the Q ... Chic and Bat were also better than them ... and they would have a hard time beating Gatineau in a 7 game series. Downie is all those things you say ... but he is also very much over-rated. I can't help it if a 1st round draft pick was wasted on him.
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Post by PotatoesRGoodYum on Jun 23, 2006 13:33:18 GMT -5
So to sum up the puckbunnies... they are basing Peterborough's team and Steve Downie's abilities on a 3 game platform. If that's the case Andrew MacDonald is a terrible defenseman and Stephane Goulet is an incredibly overarted power forward.
Arguing that Jerome Samson should be invited to the evaluation camp for the 2007 WJC team is definitely the single most ridiculous thread of the first half of 2006.. congratulations.
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Post by MacKevin on Jun 23, 2006 15:24:25 GMT -5
So to sum up the puckbunnies... they are basing Peterborough's team and Steve Downie's abilities on a 3 game platform. If that's the case Andrew MacDonald is a terrible defenseman and Stephane Goulet is an incredibly overarted power forward. Arguing that Jerome Samson should be invited to the evaluation camp for the 2007 WJC team is definitely the single most ridiculous thread of the first half of 2006.. congratulations. Not to those that know. I think, and many others as well that Samson is probably a better player than you give him credit for. The WC organization awarded him the most underrated player and future star awards so I'm not alone here. This year either you or I will eat our words and I'm guessing its you.
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Post by Score on Jun 25, 2006 8:47:38 GMT -5
So to sum up the puckbunnies... they are basing Peterborough's team and Steve Downie's abilities on a 3 game platform. If that's the case Andrew MacDonald is a terrible defenseman and Stephane Goulet is an incredibly overarted power forward. Arguing that Jerome Samson should be invited to the evaluation camp for the 2007 WJC team is definitely the single most ridiculous thread of the first half of 2006.. congratulations. Not to those that know. I think, and many others as well that Samson is probably a better player than you give him credit for. The WC organization awarded him the most underrated player and future star awards so I'm not alone here. This year either you or I will eat our words and I'm guessing its you. Not good enough to get called last night though.....but definitly better then Downie...
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