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Post by Porkchop on Jun 15, 2006 8:31:57 GMT -5
Our lineup for next year could have two looks ... with the same players. If we had Nolan/Flynn back then it could be a 0.500 team ... maybe even better (just a little better) ... we'd win our share of games by outworking our opponents. But take the same lineup and put a new guy in charge (lets call him Larue) and we might struggle to top 0.400 ... with some ugly nights in the Royale Coliseum. The most critical thing we need for next year is a bonafied coaching staff ... and a decent GM. Signing up Danny Flynn to a long term deal would be the best move we could make. Until that is done ... where this team might finish is very much up in the air. I don't think the 10-12 guys back from last year will suddenly forget how to play the game and do what they have to do to win. Even if the new coach had a completely different coaching philosophy than was in place last year it would take 20-30 games to implement it anyways. even if say Larue was back, how does he convince the boys that Nolan/Flynn's system is wrong and his is right? Next year's team will still be benefitting from the great coaching they got this past season. It's not the 10-12 guys you have left that you have to worry about........it's the Yandle's, the Dupuis's, the Marchand's, and the Goulet's not being here that is gonna hurt you.......the guys that are leaving are the guys that provided 98% of your offense..........you will suck this year........
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 15, 2006 8:45:40 GMT -5
I don't think the 10-12 guys back from last year will suddenly forget how to play the game and do what they have to do to win. Even if the new coach had a completely different coaching philosophy than was in place last year it would take 20-30 games to implement it anyways. even if say Larue was back, how does he convince the boys that Nolan/Flynn's system is wrong and his is right? Next year's team will still be benefitting from the great coaching they got this past season. It's not the 10-12 guys you have left that you have to worry about........it's the Yandle's, the Dupuis's, the Marchand's, and the Goulet's not being here that is gonna hurt you.......the guys that are leaving are the guys that provided 98% of your offense..........you will suck this year........ Oh yeah ... well you suck too.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 15, 2006 8:56:22 GMT -5
I don't think the 10-12 guys back from last year will suddenly forget how to play the game and do what they have to do to win. Even if the new coach had a completely different coaching philosophy than was in place last year it would take 20-30 games to implement it anyways. even if say Larue was back, how does he convince the boys that Nolan/Flynn's system is wrong and his is right? Next year's team will still be benefitting from the great coaching they got this past season. It's not the 10-12 guys you have left that you have to worry about........it's the Yandle's, the Dupuis's, the Marchand's, and the Goulet's not being here that is gonna hurt you.......the guys that are leaving are the guys that provided 98% of your offense..........you will suck this year........ If Moncton will suck that bad, you should have no problem accepting my bet...if Bathurst sweeps Moncton, I'll give you a 40 ouncer...if Moncton beats Bathurst next year you owe me one. Since Moncton obviously sucks, Bathurst should win every meeting. With only 2% of their offense left, the Mighty Titan should rape and pillage them.
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Post by schrader on Jun 15, 2006 9:02:41 GMT -5
Then again we were going to suck and be a joke in the Memoral cup by alot of people before the year started. Let wait and see how things turn out I personally don't think we will be that bad off. Hoping for .500 anything above that will be a big bonus and the coach should win the coach of the year who ever he might be ;D
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Post by Porkchop on Jun 15, 2006 19:57:28 GMT -5
Then again we were going to suck and be a joke in the Memoral cup by alot of people before the year started. The other 2 leagues were weak this year.......at the Mem Cup, you lost both games to the best team there.........
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Post by MacKevin on Jun 15, 2006 20:23:03 GMT -5
Then again we were going to suck and be a joke in the Memoral cup by alot of people before the year started. The other 2 leagues were weak this year.......at the Mem Cup, you lost both games to the best team there......... You know anyone can win a tournament, a different golfer every weekend, but we beat them 4 out 6 games in the Presidents Cup. We won the league, we won the Q, and the boys sharpness just wasn't there in the Memorial Cup. I know and the Cats Fans know who the best team in the Q was and I bet if you ask so does the Ramparts. But who am I trying to explain this to, someone who is bitter they clearly didn't match up and now has nothing better to do but get on the Cats site and belittle a very very good hockey team. By the way get accustom to Moncton on top because this year changed everything. We might have to rebuild a year at .500, but we won't be there long.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 15, 2006 20:38:44 GMT -5
Then again we were going to suck and be a joke in the Memoral cup by alot of people before the year started. The other 2 leagues were weak this year.......at the Mem Cup, you lost both games to the best team there......... Whatever helps you deal with the fact that the Cats won the Presidents Cup and went farther than the Titan ever did...
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Post by hockeyfan99 on Jun 16, 2006 6:39:51 GMT -5
By the way get accustom to Moncton on top because this year changed everything. We might have to rebuild a year at .500, but we won't be there long. I think you aren't properly assessing your organizational depth. Having players like Welton & Bourdon will help you be a better than originally expected team this year but Moncton has horrible organizational depth which will really slow that re-building process. The draft is key to building this depth and here are the top players that you have from the previous three drafts. 1990's None 1989's Riopel (2005 draft 1st Round) Cameron (2006 Draft 3rd round) Lessard (2005 Draft 4th Round) Labelle (2005 Draft 4th Round) Pianosi (2006 Draft last choice in the 5th) 1988's Emanule (3rd round choice barely played) Eagles (9th Round choice) Only one player left in your organization who was a top 2 round draft pick over the past 3 years. And only a few 3rd - 5th round choices. This year's draft would have helped you be a better team next year and especially the year after and all you got was a 17 yr old 3rd round forward and the last choice in the 5th round. They may turn out to be good players but certainly not anything to build a team around. All I am saying is that with this lack of organizational depth I think Moncton is looking at a tough 3 year re-building period not a 1 year 0.500 re-building year like Mackevin is suggesting.
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Post by falcon on Jun 16, 2006 7:18:42 GMT -5
By the way get accustom to Moncton on top because this year changed everything. We might have to rebuild a year at .500, but we won't be there long. I think you aren't properly assessing your organizational depth. Having players like Welton & Bourdon will help you be a better than originally expected team this year but Moncton has horrible organizational depth which will really slow that re-building process. The draft is key to building this depth and here are the top players that you have from the previous three drafts. 1990's None 1989's Riopel (2005 draft 1st Round) Cameron (2006 Draft 3rd round) Lessard (2005 Draft 4th Round) Labelle (2005 Draft 4th Round) Pianosi (2006 Draft last choice in the 5th) 1988's Emanule (3rd round choice barely played) Eagles (9th Round choice) Only one player left in your organization who was a top 2 round draft pick over the past 3 years. And only a few 3rd - 5th round choices. This year's draft would have helped you be a better team next year and especially the year after and all you got was a 17 yr old 3rd round forward and the last choice in the 5th round. They may turn out to be good players but certainly not anything to build a team around. All I am saying is that with this lack of organizational depth I think Moncton is looking at a tough 3 year re-building period not a 1 year 0.500 re-building year like Mackevin is suggesting. Your not taking into consideration that boatload of free agents from the Jr"A" ranks in Ont and the West..... Things are not as bad as you suggest
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Post by schrader on Jun 16, 2006 7:40:35 GMT -5
How about a canoe full not a boat full of free agents that really do make it to be top quality players ;D
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Post by MacKevin on Jun 16, 2006 8:14:01 GMT -5
By the way get accustom to Moncton on top because this year changed everything. We might have to rebuild a year at .500, but we won't be there long. I think you aren't properly assessing your organizational depth. Having players like Welton & Bourdon will help you be a better than originally expected team this year but Moncton has horrible organizational depth which will really slow that re-building process. The draft is key to building this depth and here are the top players that you have from the previous three drafts. 1990's None 1989's Riopel (2005 draft 1st Round) Cameron (2006 Draft 3rd round) Lessard (2005 Draft 4th Round) Labelle (2005 Draft 4th Round) Pianosi (2006 Draft last choice in the 5th) 1988's Emanule (3rd round choice barely played) Eagles (9th Round choice) Only one player left in your organization who was a top 2 round draft pick over the past 3 years. And only a few 3rd - 5th round choices. This year's draft would have helped you be a better team next year and especially the year after and all you got was a 17 yr old 3rd round forward and the last choice in the 5th round. They may turn out to be good players but certainly not anything to build a team around. All I am saying is that with this lack of organizational depth I think Moncton is looking at a tough 3 year re-building period not a 1 year 0.500 re-building year like Mackevin is suggesting. You just answered the question of what makes a winning and a losing team. You can't get "there" on the draft. You rebuild for 2 years and compete for two. The draft choices you think we missed will all be replaced by trades of which we are deep. Bourdon will trade before Christmas for a first round plus more. In my opinion so also should Welton. Hell Marquart might be traded for a high draft choice, keep going.... We used to do that too, sit a wait years to build a team from drafts, but now we realize that you trade to rebuild. Also Moncton is in the spot light as a very good place to be if you are a FA and there are few places where that is the case in the Q. Lastly we now realize the importance of very high quality coaches which we can afford. So welcome to the new reality.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 16, 2006 8:27:13 GMT -5
Your not taking into consideration that boatload of free agents from the Jr"A" ranks in Ont and the West..... Things are not as bad as you suggest A "boatload" ? ... just because we drafted a pitcher in the 9th round doesn't mean we are now bring kids in from Cuba.
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Post by hockeyfan99 on Jun 16, 2006 8:30:36 GMT -5
The draft choices you think we missed will all be replaced by trades of which we are deep. Bourdon will trade before Christmas for a first round plus more. In my opinion so also should Welton. 16 yr olds can't be expected to step in and make an immediate impact they need time to develop. So trading Bourdon and Welton for two high 2007 draft choices likely won't start to make a big impact until they are 18 which will be 2009/10. That is 4 years away.
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Post by Porkchop on Jun 16, 2006 8:33:07 GMT -5
The other 2 leagues were weak this year.......at the Mem Cup, you lost both games to the best team there......... Whatever helps you deal with the fact that the Cats won the Presidents Cup and went farther than the Titan ever did... Both teams have a cup and both teams went to the Memcup where both teams lost........Moncton won a couple games there because the OHL and WHL were weak......The Titan lost 3 straight in the MemCup, but they were very close to Moncton that year in that they won the league when they were not the best team in the league.
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Post by Porkchop on Jun 16, 2006 8:35:40 GMT -5
The other 2 leagues were weak this year.......at the Mem Cup, you lost both games to the best team there......... You know anyone can win a tournament, a different golfer every weekend, but we beat them 4 out 6 games in the Presidents Cup. We won the league, we won the Q, and the boys sharpness just wasn't there in the Memorial Cup. I know and the Cats Fans know who the best team in the Q was and I bet if you ask so does the Ramparts. But who am I trying to explain this to, someone who is bitter they clearly didn't match up and now has nothing better to do but get on the Cats site and belittle a very very good hockey team. By the way get accustom to Moncton on top because this year changed everything. We might have to rebuild a year at .500, but we won't be there long. Between the Titan and Quebec it was anybodies series, as it going to 7 games proved..........Moncton got a tired team in the finals....great to win it in 6 games, but if Quebec had a 4 game series with Bathurst instead of 7, I think the outcome would have been different......and I'm not bitter, as my team took the MemCup champions to 7 games, which proves to me just how good they were this year....more than anybody expected.
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