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Post by MacKevin on Jun 5, 2007 6:44:14 GMT -5
So Devan just wants an Educational Package. Shouldn't be a big problem. No Problem at all. Did you see him say that the WCs were a great organization.
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Post by Ace on Jun 5, 2007 7:02:05 GMT -5
I think out of all the teams out there the WC have the best chance of landing him. (not counting out Que) Money is not a big issue, education can be taken care of I am sure if he does not make the pros and he is playing in front of his hometown. Maybe a No Trade clause as well? Either way if we land him plus two of the three US draft picks and one or two NCAA guys come it is going to cause one hell of a log jam up front. Maybe we can load up on picks for next season with some. If everything goes well.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 5, 2007 7:15:38 GMT -5
You mean the only teams that the good players want to play for. No, I mean the only teams who have the cash to offer the extra perks to get them to come.........it has nothing to do with them not wanting to play for certain teams, but rather which team can offer them more.....and that's not right, or fair.......one way to correct this would be take the NHL model and do a revenue sharing program to make it a more even playing field. So the rich teams will support the deadwood of the league ... the teams with greedy owners that aren't interested in sharing the wealth ... aren't interested in investing money back into their team to generate more interest. Fans stop coming out when the ownership continues to nickel and dime them. The product is exciting ... it just has to be packaged and presented properly. Bathurst could be a wealthy team if LGM wasn't the owner ... you have the best rink deal (free rent) in the Q and you still can't make any money ? Maybe its time that the Q start cutting back the deadwood that are dragging the league down.
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Post by gongshow on Jun 5, 2007 7:15:43 GMT -5
I think the league should implement a rule against NCAA bluffs.....maybe something like a 100 000$ fine to the guilty team and the funds could be split up evenly between other teams to help the smaller market teams....these fines would be dished out for Esposito like scenario's. I know it's not much of a fine,but at least it would a little compensation for teams like C-B,B-C,R-N etc.....who don't have millions of $$$ at their disposal. Funny that guys like Jeff Bell and a bunch of other local guys like him get passed up...meanwhile kids that are saying they are 100% sure of not playing in the Q get drafted in the 2nd round by teams that only have 2 picks in the 1st 5 rounds...smells pretty fishy. Also I can't believe nobody picked up Jessyko Bernard...especially the wildcats...if MacAusland was worth a 2nd round gamble,wouldn't Bernard be worth a 8th or 9th round gamble....if they're both 100 % sure of not coming what would be the difference between the 2
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Post by catnut on Jun 5, 2007 7:20:28 GMT -5
Also I can't believe nobody picked up Jessyko Bernard...especially the wildcats...if MacAusland was worth a 2nd round gamble,wouldn't Bernard be worth a 8th or 9th round gamble....if they're both 100 % sure of not coming what would be the difference between the 2 Bernard could only be drafted in the first 5 rounds this year.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 5, 2007 7:28:26 GMT -5
No, I mean the only teams who have the cash to offer the extra perks to get them to come.........it has nothing to do with them not wanting to play for certain teams, but rather which team can offer them more.....and that's not right, or fair.......one way to correct this would be take the NHL model and do a revenue sharing program to make it a more even playing field. So the rich teams will support the deadwood of the league ... the teams with greedy owners that aren't interested in sharing the wealth ... aren't interested in investing money back into their team to generate more interest. Fans stop coming out when the ownership continues to nickel and dime them. The product is exciting ... it just has to be packaged and presented properly. Bathurst could be a wealthy team if LGM wasn't the owner ... you have the best rink deal (free rent) in the Q and you still can't make any money ? Maybe its time that the Q start cutting back the deadwood that are dragging the league down. Bathurst always makes a profit, LGM just loves playing the poor poor pittiful me line in the papers.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 5, 2007 7:33:19 GMT -5
I think the league should implement a rule against NCAA bluffs.....maybe something like a 100 000$ fine to the guilty team and the funds could be split up evenly between other teams to help the smaller market teams....these fines would be dished out for Esposito like scenario's. I know it's not much of a fine,but at least it would a little compensation for teams like C-B,B-C,R-N etc.....who don't have millions of $$$ at their disposal. Funny that guys like Jeff Bell and a bunch of other local guys like him get passed up...meanwhile kids that are saying they are 100% sure of not playing in the Q get drafted in the 2nd round by teams that only have 2 picks in the 1st 5 rounds...smells pretty fishy. Also I can't believe nobody picked up Jessyko Bernard...especially the wildcats...if MacAusland was worth a 2nd round gamble,wouldn't Bernard be worth a 8th or 9th round gamble....if they're both 100 % sure of not coming what would be the difference between the 2 What exactly is Esposito like situations? What damage do you think the Q would do for it's image if they strictly stopped Q teams from giving players a nickel for their education? NCAA recruiters would have a field day with the parents and you'd end up with half the best players playing Jr.A then to college. The Esposito example is an extreme one...same for Anthony that his dad was playing games and negotiating with teams in the media. PS. Cape Breton gave educational packages to Jared Vokey and JC Sawyer, not sure why you included them in the poor brotherhood.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 5, 2007 7:36:36 GMT -5
I think the league should implement a rule against NCAA bluffs.....maybe something like a 100 000$ fine to the guilty team and the funds could be split up evenly between other teams to help the smaller market teams....these fines would be dished out for Esposito like scenario's. I know it's not much of a fine,but at least it would a little compensation for teams like C-B,B-C,R-N etc.....who don't have millions of $$$ at their disposal. Funny that guys like Jeff Bell and a bunch of other local guys like him get passed up...meanwhile kids that are saying they are 100% sure of not playing in the Q get drafted in the 2nd round by teams that only have 2 picks in the 1st 5 rounds...smells pretty fishy. Also I can't believe nobody picked up Jessyko Bernard...especially the wildcats...if MacAusland was worth a 2nd round gamble,wouldn't Bernard be worth a 8th or 9th round gamble....if they're both 100 % sure of not coming what would be the difference between the 2 1. A fine for an NCAA bluff ? Who says its a bluff ... maybe they were able to simply change his mind. Brown did not bluff ... he said he'd come to the Q if his educational needs were taken care of ... very up front. He is simply saying ... I'm going to get an education so if you can provide it to the same level that an NCAA team could then I will consider you as an option. Are you faulting a kid for putting education first ? MacAusland has not changed his mind yet ... and even if he does its not bluffing. 2. With Brown we are guaranteeing him bursaries to get a full education at an Atlantic school ... he doesn't get the money if he doesn't go to school ... its not cash ... it totals probably $60,000 ... $10,500 will come from the Q ... so we are covering roughly $50,000 over his 4 yr stay here ... or $12,500 per year. Halifax states on their website that they add $2500 per year for each player ... so we aren't doing anything different than many other teams ... just providing a strong education option for these kids. 3. Bell and Bernard I do not understand ... we picked a kid from Mathieu Martin in Rd 12 ... why not waste a pick on one of these guys. I knew Bell went unselected but didn't realize Bernard did to until I read it this morning. Instead of taking the US kid Moore .. why not use the pick on a local kid that might be easier to convince. 4. My kid played against Bell for a few years in minor hockey ... he was always much bigger than everybody else and always played with a mean streak. Not sure why some team didn't grab him as I think he could play the enforcer role ... although I haven't seen him play in a few years ... but he was ranked high so its a mystery. Maybe we'll invite him to camp ... we'd be foolish not to. Just from what I know about the kid over the years ... he does seem to come with an attitude problem but that may have eased as he matured. EDit: Ignore 3 and 4 ... Bell and Bernard are both 1991 born ... I was sure that Bell was a 1990. We couldn't take them as we only had two picks in rounds 1 to 5.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 5, 2007 7:37:06 GMT -5
Also I can't believe nobody picked up Jessyko Bernard...especially the wildcats...if MacAusland was worth a 2nd round gamble,wouldn't Bernard be worth a 8th or 9th round gamble....if they're both 100 % sure of not coming what would be the difference between the 2 Bernard could only be drafted in the first 5 rounds this year. Oh yeah
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 5, 2007 7:42:27 GMT -5
MacIntosh of Fredericton is a bigger mystery than Bernard or Bell.
Bernard was a hard line NCAA guy in the Malone mold...maybe if the WC had a 4th or 5th they gamble on him.
Bell was rated too high by CSR, he has some potential along the lines of Mathieu Biron, but he is a project that may not be a regular for 2 more years. A couple years ago he would have gone late 2nd or early 3rd but teams are drafting more mobility on the blueline.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 5, 2007 7:45:55 GMT -5
Bernard could only be drafted in the first 5 rounds this year. Oh yeah Same with Bell I believe ... my take is that Bernard made some noise about going NCAA so he got passed over - because he was down at a prep school this year, I think it combined to make him both a little under the radar, as well as perhaps convinced some teams that he was in fact serious about the NCAA. Peter Nevin alluded to guys who went unpicked who the Cats would have taken in the first five rounds had they been able to secure more picks - my gut tells me Bernard was one of them. As for Bell, I think he is a victim of the current cycle in hockey - a guy who used to be in hot demand as "big and physical" is now perceived as being "slow and penalty prone" - the emphasis on defenseman has shifted to good skaters who are able to effectively break out of the zone with good passes. I am not totally shocked that Bell and Bernard were passed over - both should find takers next season.
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Post by gongshow on Jun 5, 2007 8:44:51 GMT -5
I think the league should implement a rule against NCAA bluffs.....maybe something like a 100 000$ fine to the guilty team and the funds could be split up evenly between other teams to help the smaller market teams....these fines would be dished out for Esposito like scenario's. I know it's not much of a fine,but at least it would a little compensation for teams like C-B,B-C,R-N etc.....who don't have millions of $$$ at their disposal. Funny that guys like Jeff Bell and a bunch of other local guys like him get passed up...meanwhile kids that are saying they are 100% sure of not playing in the Q get drafted in the 2nd round by teams that only have 2 picks in the 1st 5 rounds...smells pretty fishy. Also I can't believe nobody picked up Jessyko Bernard...especially the wildcats...if MacAusland was worth a 2nd round gamble,wouldn't Bernard be worth a 8th or 9th round gamble....if they're both 100 % sure of not coming what would be the difference between the 2 What exactly is Esposito like situations? What damage do you think the Q would do for it's image if they strictly stopped Q teams from giving players a nickel for their education? NCAA recruiters would have a field day with the parents and you'd end up with half the best players playing Jr.A then to college. The Esposito example is an extreme one...same for Anthony that his dad was playing games and negotiating with teams in the media. PS. Cape Breton gave educational packages to Jared Vokey and JC Sawyer, not sure why you included them in the poor brotherhood. Situations in which a kid says "don't even bother thinking about picking me because i'll be playing ncaa",then all of a sudden he gets drafted by a wealthy team and come august he's at camp....this is alot different than offering a kid an extra say 5000$ a year to go towards education. If this keeps up rich teams will be able to draft 3-4,first or second round players,without even having a pick in those early rounds...\ I have no problem with teams acheiving this through quality scouting...but how often do 1st round quality players get drafted in the 8th round?maybe once or twice per draft through the whole league. As for the C-B thing,I forgot about these 2 cases but I don't remember either one of them saying "i'm 100% sure I won't play in the Q"...I was simply trying to point out a few teams that managed to be competitve several years without the luxury of these "steal of a deal" draft picks/americans.
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Post by gongshow on Jun 5, 2007 8:49:07 GMT -5
Same with Bell I believe ... my take is that Bernard made some noise about going NCAA so he got passed over - because he was down at a prep school this year, I think it combined to make him both a little under the radar, as well as perhaps convinced some teams that he was in fact serious about the NCAA. Peter Nevin alluded to guys who went unpicked who the Cats would have taken in the first five rounds had they been able to secure more picks - my gut tells me Bernard was one of them. As for Bell, I think he is a victim of the current cycle in hockey - a guy who used to be in hot demand as "big and physical" is now perceived as being "slow and penalty prone" - the emphasis on defenseman has shifted to good skaters who are able to effectively break out of the zone with good passes. I am not totally shocked that Bell and Bernard were passed over - both should find takers next season. I heard that 3 teams called Bernard on draft day called him and he told them as of right now he was returning to the same place he was this year....but he did not mention he was 100% sure he wouldn't play in the Q. I also heard that Alex MacDonald was disapointed on not being selected....as was Jeff Bell.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 5, 2007 9:04:24 GMT -5
Same with Bell I believe ... my take is that Bernard made some noise about going NCAA so he got passed over - because he was down at a prep school this year, I think it combined to make him both a little under the radar, as well as perhaps convinced some teams that he was in fact serious about the NCAA. Peter Nevin alluded to guys who went unpicked who the Cats would have taken in the first five rounds had they been able to secure more picks - my gut tells me Bernard was one of them. As for Bell, I think he is a victim of the current cycle in hockey - a guy who used to be in hot demand as "big and physical" is now perceived as being "slow and penalty prone" - the emphasis on defenseman has shifted to good skaters who are able to effectively break out of the zone with good passes. I am not totally shocked that Bell and Bernard were passed over - both should find takers next season. I heard that 3 teams called Bernard on draft day called him and he told them as of right now he was returning to the same place he was this year....but he did not mention he was 100% sure he wouldn't play in the Q. You "heard" that ? Three teams said the same thing ? Do you have a transcript of each phone call for us ?
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Post by jimmy on Jun 5, 2007 9:04:43 GMT -5
Same with Bell I believe ... my take is that Bernard made some noise about going NCAA so he got passed over - because he was down at a prep school this year, I think it combined to make him both a little under the radar, as well as perhaps convinced some teams that he was in fact serious about the NCAA. Peter Nevin alluded to guys who went unpicked who the Cats would have taken in the first five rounds had they been able to secure more picks - my gut tells me Bernard was one of them. As for Bell, I think he is a victim of the current cycle in hockey - a guy who used to be in hot demand as "big and physical" is now perceived as being "slow and penalty prone" - the emphasis on defenseman has shifted to good skaters who are able to effectively break out of the zone with good passes. I am not totally shocked that Bell and Bernard were passed over - both should find takers next season. I heard that 3 teams called Bernard on draft day called him and he told them as of right now he was returning to the same place he was this year....but he did not mention he was 100% sure he wouldn't play in the Q. I also heard that Alex MacDonald was disapointed on not being selected....as was Jeff Bell. If Bernard somewhat wanted to play in the Q next season, then I think he is the victim of his own game, or of some bad advice ... teams may be willing to gamble on a guy who may or may not report, but they are primarily going to gamble on the high end, high profile guys like MacAusland, LeBlanc, Brown, Clermont, Anthony, etc... Where Bernard was rated a bit lower for the draft, and was much lower profile, teams just didn't bother to take the risk and figured they would draft someone else with comparable potential who was sure to report and save themselves the headaches.
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