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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 5, 2006 9:54:20 GMT -5
OK ... so lets say Nolan does sign up for a long term deal. Rumour (didn't I read this in the paper ?) had it that Flynn would wait to see what Nolan was doing before deciding what he would do. So lets pretend that if Nolan is back that now Flynn is willing to come back also. I'm surprised that Flynn would be willing to leave a good job at X to be an asst coach in the Q full time ... last year was just a one year leave of absence. What about Dan Lacroix ... a guy that has been here for several years now ? His contract has also expired. Do you go with a 3 man coaching system again or do you trim it to 2 ? Three would seem to be overkill in a non-contending year and I'm not sure Dan Lacroix would want to be 3rd on the depth chart for another year. On the other hand ... its a good idea to have at least one francophone on your coaching staff to have better communication with the new kids coming in from Quebec that may have very limited english skills. I am assuming that neither Nolan and Flynn are fluently bilingual ... correct me if I am wrong. I think you covered a lot of the complexities in that post... -Nolan seems to be leaning heavily on coming back and they are close to a deal... -the Flynn dilema, will Nolan insist on him being back or will Flynn want to make a run at a CIS title instead of being 2nd fiddle in Moncton -Lacroix will surely not stay as 3rd fiddle, but they need him as you said for the french only kids from Quebec The solution seems to be for Nolan to sign for 4-5 years, Flynn goes back to St.FX and Lacroix takes on a bigger role.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 5, 2006 10:38:04 GMT -5
Maybe keep Flynn on as a "Special Advisor" ... allow him to stay with X but keep him in the mix for recruiting and occasional technical input which he seems to be the master of ... and keep him around for any playoff runs once the X season is done ... they finish much earlier than the Q does.
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Post by GreyOwl on Jun 5, 2006 11:11:21 GMT -5
OK ... so lets say Nolan does sign up for a long term deal. Rumour (didn't I read this in the paper ?) had it that Flynn would wait to see what Nolan was doing before deciding what he would do. So lets pretend that if Nolan is back that now Flynn is willing to come back also. I'm surprised that Flynn would be willing to leave a good job at X to be an asst coach in the Q full time ... last year was just a one year leave of absence. What about Dan Lacroix ... a guy that has been here for several years now ? His contract has also expired. Do you go with a 3 man coaching system again or do you trim it to 2 ? Three would seem to be overkill in a non-contending year and I'm not sure Dan Lacroix would want to be 3rd on the depth chart for another year. On the other hand ... its a good idea to have at least one francophone on your coaching staff to have better communication with the new kids coming in from Quebec that may have very limited english skills. I am assuming that neither Nolan and Flynn are fluently bilingual ... correct me if I am wrong. I think Nolan speak's two languages, French might not be one of them!
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Post by fbr2o75 on Jun 5, 2006 11:50:12 GMT -5
Just something to stir the pot,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, who is the real driving force for the on ice performance, Nolan or Flynn, who is really teaching the kids? Is Nolan better suited as a GM and Flynn as a head coach? I'm probably wrong but has Nolan had success without Flynn by his side? Not trying to sh$t dusturb, just asking honest questions.
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Post by bystander on Jun 5, 2006 11:53:07 GMT -5
ummmm.. da..... NHL...dont think Flynn was there...coach of the year!!!
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Post by fbr2o75 on Jun 5, 2006 11:57:05 GMT -5
ummmm.. da..... NHL...dont think Flynn was there...coach of the year!!! ok i wasn't sure if Flynn was with him there or not, but I thought a lot of his coming here hinged on whether or not Flynn would leave St FX.
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Post by Wheelies on Jun 5, 2006 13:27:59 GMT -5
Maybe keep Flynn on as a "Special Advisor" ... allow him to stay with X but keep him in the mix for recruiting and occasional technical input which he seems to be the master of ... and keep him around for any playoff runs once the X season is done ... they finish much earlier than the Q does. I think Steve makes a good point. That way the club really get the best of both worlds..
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Post by bystander on Jun 5, 2006 14:07:56 GMT -5
shhh. dont tell him that...lol... would there be any conflict of interest here?? say him wanting a player to play for him at 18 19 that we might try to pick up too??? not many cases i am sure....thoughts? ??
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Post by Shooooot on Jun 5, 2006 14:50:11 GMT -5
If there isn't a call from the NHL, I bet and hope we see Nolan and Flynn sign 3 year deals. I don't think this year will be as much of a rebuild year as some may think but I the prize may be another run at the cup in 2 or 3 years. If that sounds unrealistic, remember the run we have two years ago, loosing in the finals and making it to the Mem Cup final this year. As Gatineau has shown, you don't have to hit rock bottom to rise to the top ( ie Rimouski). If Ted stays in town you know it won't be to idle at the bottom of the pack.
At the start of this year I thought 2006-2007 would be a yawner but if Nolan stays I can't wait to see what they are able to produce on the ice.
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Post by MacKevin on Jun 5, 2006 15:13:38 GMT -5
Does anyone know how well a University Hockey Coach is paid? I can't imagine that it can compete with the Wildcats. If he was paid considerably more for each year of a long term contract with the Wildcats, then I can't think of why it wouldn't be a good career move. That would include with or without Nolan. But having said that I hope for them both just like this year.
I would also think the Wildcats would give them more NHL potential exposure as well.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 5, 2006 15:26:20 GMT -5
Does anyone know how well a University Hockey Coach is paid? I can't imagine that it can compete with the Wildcats. If he was paid considerably more for each year of a long term contract with the Wildcats, then I can't think of why it wouldn't be a good career move. That would include with or without Nolan. But having said that I hope for them both just like this year. I would also think the Wildcats would give them more NHL potential exposure as well. I would think that university head coaches get paid much more than a typical major junior assistant, not to mention there is more job security in the university ranks (less coaching turnover). That being said, I am sure that Flynn was earning more than a typical assistant would earn this past season. I don't think typical Q assistants earn much, which explains why most are either young coaches starting out or part-timers who hold a day job...
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Post by cbtitan on Jun 5, 2006 15:50:29 GMT -5
I always thought that Flynn was the master tactician over and above Nolan. In the Mem Cup, in crucial games when time outs were called, he was the tactician teaching the strategies and making the recommendations.
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Post by MacKevin on Jun 6, 2006 6:35:24 GMT -5
Does anyone know how well a University Hockey Coach is paid? I can't imagine that it can compete with the Wildcats. If he was paid considerably more for each year of a long term contract with the Wildcats, then I can't think of why it wouldn't be a good career move. That would include with or without Nolan. But having said that I hope for them both just like this year. I would also think the Wildcats would give them more NHL potential exposure as well. I would think that university head coaches get paid much more than a typical major junior assistant, not to mention there is more job security in the university ranks (less coaching turnover). That being said, I am sure that Flynn was earning more than a typical assistant would earn this past season. I don't think typical Q assistants earn much, which explains why most are either young coaches starting out or part-timers who hold a day job... I would be very surprised if a University Hockey Coach makes a lot more than a Major Junior Assistant. In University the focus is all about learning and they don't go far and wide looking for the best Coaches they can find. If a Canadian University's got money they put it many more places than in their Hockey Coaches. I still got to think the WC's, even at assistant coaches salary, is a better deal. I also think that NHL and AHL look to Major Junior before University for their coaches. I would think they represent a career coach versus a coach looking for a secure job.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Jun 6, 2006 7:00:06 GMT -5
I would think that university head coaches get paid much more than a typical major junior assistant, not to mention there is more job security in the university ranks (less coaching turnover). That being said, I am sure that Flynn was earning more than a typical assistant would earn this past season. I don't think typical Q assistants earn much, which explains why most are either young coaches starting out or part-timers who hold a day job... I would be very surprised if a University Hockey Coach makes a lot more than a Major Junior Assistant. In University the focus is all about learning and they don't go far and wide looking for the best Coaches they can find. If a Canadian University's got money they put it many more places than in their Hockey Coaches. I still got to think the WC's, even at assistant coaches salary, is a better deal. I also think that NHL and AHL look to Major Junior before University for their coaches. I would think they represent a career coach versus a coach looking for a secure job. We are not talking an average university coach, we are talking AUS and St.FX has deep pockets. Being a university coach means a shorter season(Oct 1st to late March if all goes well), QMJHL is at least 2 months longer, plus a CIS coach does a lot of recruiting and has full control of his program. Normally a guy like Flynn would never leave that kind of job to be a Q assistant, there were very special circumstances.
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Post by Tom on Jun 6, 2006 11:14:23 GMT -5
Flynn was not an assistant, he was associate coach. I take that to mean that he shared the Head coaching duties with Nolan. Also remember that Nolan is Director of Hockey Operations as well (GM in most other clubs) so really we only have 3 people responsible for 3 roles, GM, Head Coach and assistant coach.
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