maxman
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Post by maxman on Aug 29, 2005 7:50:37 GMT -5
It was announced that the latest cuts are five forwards, bringing the roster down to 32 (Billy has posted that in another thread):
Jason Lepage (19 – Que midget espoirs) Marc-Andre Labelle (16 – Que Midget AAA) Yan Ouimet ( 18 – Que Jr. A) Bobby Mazerolle (18 – Que Jr. A) Shaun Clinton (19 – Ont Jr. A)
Any comments? Clinton didn’t show that he wanted it hard enough. Labelle was no surprise as he is only 16.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 29, 2005 8:16:31 GMT -5
It was announced that the latest cuts are five forwards, bringing the roster down to 32 (Billy has posted that in another thread): Jason Lepage (19 – Que midget espoirs) Marc-Andre Labelle (16 – Que Midget AAA) Yan Ouimet ( 18 – Que Jr. A) Bobby Mazerolle (18 – Que Jr. A) Shaun Clinton (19 – Ont Jr. A) Any comments? Clinton didn’t show that he wanted it hard enough. Labelle was no surprise as he is only 16. I don't think your ages are right, Mazerolle and Ouimet are both 19 this season... Who is Lepage? If he played espoirs last season, is he really 19?
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Post by Shooooot on Aug 29, 2005 8:24:24 GMT -5
No suprises here...we are now getting to the point where some decent hockey players will be getting cut. If your not a goal scorer and undersized for the third or fourth line...looks like you won't be on Nolan's team. I like his approach, each player has a role and you pick the players that are best able to perform each role. At this point intangibles become important when making cuts and it's hard to judge these things from the outside. Cuts get harder from here on...
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Post by Wild74 on Aug 29, 2005 8:26:16 GMT -5
It was announced that the latest cuts are five forwards, bringing the roster down to 32 (Billy has posted that in another thread): Jason Lepage (19 – Que midget espoirs) Marc-Andre Labelle (16 – Que Midget AAA) Yan Ouimet ( 18 – Que Jr. A) Bobby Mazerolle (18 – Que Jr. A) Shaun Clinton (19 – Ont Jr. A) Any comments? Clinton didn’t show that he wanted it hard enough. Labelle was no surprise as he is only 16. I don't think your ages are right, Mazerolle and Ouimet are both 19 this season... Who is Lepage? If he played espoirs last season, is he really 19? Lepage will be 17 in October, he's an '88, according to the Press Release issued on Draft day. He was an 11th round pick in June.
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Post by maxman on Aug 29, 2005 11:37:30 GMT -5
Sorry about that. I got my ages from an earlier posting on this board by another poster. The correct ages (as of today) are:
CLINTON, Shaun 86/02/17 (19) LABELLE Marc-André 89/05/01 (16) LEPAGE Jason 88/10/12 (16) MAZEROLLE Bobby 86/11/30 (18) OUIMET Yan 86/09/25 (18)
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 29, 2005 11:45:52 GMT -5
Sorry about that. I got my ages from an earlier posting on this board by another poster. The correct ages (as of today) are: CLINTON, Shaun 86/02/17 (19) LABELLE Marc-André 89/05/01 (16) LEPAGE Jason 88/10/12 (16) MAZEROLLE Bobby 86/11/30 (18) OUIMET Yan 86/09/25 (18) That might be the ages as of today ... but if these players play in the Q (and obviously they won't for us) ... Clinton, Ouimet and Mazzerole would be classed as 19 yr olds, LePage would be a 17 yr old ... and LaBelle a 16 yr old ... so your ages are misleading. Its only the year they were born that matters to the Q.
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Post by MikeC on Aug 29, 2005 13:11:27 GMT -5
Sorry about that. I got my ages from an earlier posting on this board by another poster. The correct ages (as of today) are: CLINTON, Shaun 86/02/17 (19) LABELLE Marc-André 89/05/01 (16) LEPAGE Jason 88/10/12 (16) MAZEROLLE Bobby 86/11/30 (18) OUIMET Yan 86/09/25 (18) That might be the ages as of today ... but if these players play in the Q (and obviously they won't for us) ... Clinton, Ouimet and Mazzerole would be classed as 19 yr olds, LePage would be a 17 yr old ... and LaBelle a 16 yr old ... so your ages are misleading. Its only the year they were born that matters to the Q. Hey Steve, back to our quesitons about the 19 year old waiver draft: Do you think it's possible that the player's actual age on the waiver draft day is the age they use rather than what junior age year they're in? It would explain Ouimet and Mazerolle. It could also be a complete coincedence, I haven't really looked it up.
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Post by Cristobal Huet on Aug 29, 2005 13:14:34 GMT -5
That might be the ages as of today ... but if these players play in the Q (and obviously they won't for us) ... Clinton, Ouimet and Mazzerole would be classed as 19 yr olds, LePage would be a 17 yr old ... and LaBelle a 16 yr old ... so your ages are misleading. Its only the year they were born that matters to the Q. Hey Steve, back to our quesitons about the 19 year old waiver draft: Do you think it's possible that the player's actual age on the waiver draft day is the age they use rather than what junior age year they're in? It would explain Ouimet and Mazerolle. It could also be a complete coincedence, I haven't really looked it up. They just use the birth year...like 1985 is 20, 1986 is 19 etc.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 29, 2005 13:35:18 GMT -5
That might be the ages as of today ... but if these players play in the Q (and obviously they won't for us) ... Clinton, Ouimet and Mazzerole would be classed as 19 yr olds, LePage would be a 17 yr old ... and LaBelle a 16 yr old ... so your ages are misleading. Its only the year they were born that matters to the Q. Hey Steve, back to our quesitons about the 19 year old waiver draft: Do you think it's possible that the player's actual age on the waiver draft day is the age they use rather than what junior age year they're in? It would explain Ouimet and Mazerolle. It could also be a complete coincedence, I haven't really looked it up. If you can produce a late birthday for Leduc and Judson then you might be on to something ... but I tend to agree with Billy until then. Leduc and Judson were the only other two that I could clearly see were in violation of my own interpretation of the 19 yr old waiver rule ... the rest were FA's. Edit: Judson is 1986-01-26 ... and Leduc is 1986-01-01 ... both played Q games last year and so both would seem to have been 19 at the deadline.
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Post by MikeC on Aug 29, 2005 13:44:35 GMT -5
Hey Steve, back to our quesitons about the 19 year old waiver draft: Do you think it's possible that the player's actual age on the waiver draft day is the age they use rather than what junior age year they're in? It would explain Ouimet and Mazerolle. It could also be a complete coincedence, I haven't really looked it up. If you can produce a late birthday for Leduc and Judson then you might be on to something ... but I tend to agree with Billy until then. Leduc and Judson were the only other two that I could clearly see were in violation of my own interpretation of the 19 yr old waiver rule ... the rest were FA's. Edit: Judson is 1986-01-26 ... and Leduc is 1986-01-01 ... both played Q games last year and so both would seem to have been 19 at the deadline. Alright then. It was just a shot in the dark anyway.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 29, 2005 13:52:11 GMT -5
Hey Steve, back to our quesitons about the 19 year old waiver draft: Do you think it's possible that the player's actual age on the waiver draft day is the age they use rather than what junior age year they're in? It would explain Ouimet and Mazerolle. It could also be a complete coincedence, I haven't really looked it up. If you can produce a late birthday for Leduc and Judson then you might be on to something ... but I tend to agree with Billy until then. Leduc and Judson were the only other two that I could clearly see were in violation of my own interpretation of the 19 yr old waiver rule ... the rest were FA's. Edit: Judson is 1986-01-26 ... and Leduc is 1986-01-01 ... both played Q games last year and so both would seem to have been 19 at the deadline. I suspect the rule may work something like this: If a player was on a Q card last season, then he must clear waivers prior to being re-assigned and left on the 55 man list this year. The August whatever deadline probably states you must sign the player to a card (of which a team has a limited number) prior to that date for the upcoming season or place him on waivers. This would explain Donovan... Also, a player being released from the 55 man list must be placed on waivers - hence Jared Keller. Ouimet and Mazerolle were not with the Cats at the end of last season, they would have been on Jr A playing cards in Quebec, just as Leduc and Judson would have played with the Cats as affiliated players last year - their player cards were held by an MJAHL team. Consequently, I suspect the Cats can keep them, and any other 19 year old (i.e. free agents from other leagues) who wasn't signed to a Q player card as of the end of the 2004/05 season, on their 55 man list until such time as they wish to clear space on their list and place the players on waivers - or do the kids a favor and give them a chance to hook on elsewhere. Can anyone confirm my theory??
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Post by MikeC on Aug 29, 2005 14:08:51 GMT -5
I suspect the rule may work something like this: If a player was on a Q card last season, then he must clear waivers prior to being re-assigned and left on the 55 man list this year. The August whatever deadline probably states you must sign the player to a card (of which a team has a limited number) prior to that date for the upcoming season or place him on waivers. This would explain Donovan... Also, a player being released from the 55 man list must be placed on waivers - hence Jared Keller. Ouimet and Mazerolle were not with the Cats at the end of last season, they would have been on Jr A playing cards in Quebec, just as Leduc and Judson would have played with the Cats as affiliated players last year - their player cards were held by an MJAHL team. Consequently, I suspect the Cats can keep them, and any other 19 year old (i.e. free agents from other leagues) who wasn't signed to a Q player card as of the end of the 2004/05 season, on their 55 man list until such time as they wish to clear space on their list and place the players on waivers - or do the kids a favor and give them a chance to hook on elsewhere. Can anyone confirm my theory?? I can confirm that your theory makes the most sense out of any I've heard.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 29, 2005 14:17:12 GMT -5
If you can produce a late birthday for Leduc and Judson then you might be on to something ... but I tend to agree with Billy until then. Leduc and Judson were the only other two that I could clearly see were in violation of my own interpretation of the 19 yr old waiver rule ... the rest were FA's. Edit: Judson is 1986-01-26 ... and Leduc is 1986-01-01 ... both played Q games last year and so both would seem to have been 19 at the deadline. I suspect the rule may work something like this: If a player was on a Q card last season, then he must clear waivers prior to being re-assigned and left on the 55 man list this year. The August whatever deadline probably states you must sign the player to a card (of which a team has a limited number) prior to that date for the upcoming season or place him on waivers. This would explain Donovan... Also, a player being released from the 55 man list must be placed on waivers - hence Jared Keller. Ouimet and Mazerolle were not with the Cats at the end of last season, they would have been on Jr A playing cards in Quebec, just as Leduc and Judson would have played with the Cats as affiliated players last year - their player cards were held by an MJAHL team. Consequently, I suspect the Cats can keep them, and any other 19 year old (i.e. free agents from other leagues) who wasn't signed to a Q player card as of the end of the 2004/05 season, on their 55 man list until such time as they wish to clear space on their list and place the players on waivers - or do the kids a favor and give them a chance to hook on elsewhere. Can anyone confirm my theory?? The only problem with that very reasonable explanation is why did we have to waive one of the Kellers. Was he on another CHL (OHL perhaps) card last year to end the season ?
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Post by jimmy on Aug 29, 2005 14:27:52 GMT -5
I suspect the rule may work something like this: If a player was on a Q card last season, then he must clear waivers prior to being re-assigned and left on the 55 man list this year. The August whatever deadline probably states you must sign the player to a card (of which a team has a limited number) prior to that date for the upcoming season or place him on waivers. This would explain Donovan... Also, a player being released from the 55 man list must be placed on waivers - hence Jared Keller. Ouimet and Mazerolle were not with the Cats at the end of last season, they would have been on Jr A playing cards in Quebec, just as Leduc and Judson would have played with the Cats as affiliated players last year - their player cards were held by an MJAHL team. Consequently, I suspect the Cats can keep them, and any other 19 year old (i.e. free agents from other leagues) who wasn't signed to a Q player card as of the end of the 2004/05 season, on their 55 man list until such time as they wish to clear space on their list and place the players on waivers - or do the kids a favor and give them a chance to hook on elsewhere. Can anyone confirm my theory?? The only problem with that very reasonable explanation is why did we have to waive one of the Kellers. Was he on another CHL (OHL perhaps) card last year to end the season ? Based on my understanding, for some reason or other we wanted him off our 55 man roster, either to clear space, or to give him an opportunity elsewhere in the CHL perhaps (maybe it was part of the agreement that saw him report) - to my knowledge Jared Keller never played major junior so wouldn't have been on another card... I think any player released from the 55 man list must clear waivers; and in addition, the Q has a special rule whereby 19 year olds who played on Q teams as an 18 year old are to be given a second chance elsewhere prior to being cut and buried in Junior A...
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 29, 2005 14:38:37 GMT -5
The only problem with that very reasonable explanation is why did we have to waive one of the Kellers. Was he on another CHL (OHL perhaps) card last year to end the season ? Based on my understanding, for some reason or other we wanted him off our 55 man roster, either to clear space, or to give him an opportunity elsewhere in the CHL perhaps (maybe it was part of the agreement that saw him report) - to my knowledge Jared Keller never played major junior so wouldn't have been on another card... I think any player released from the 55 man list must clear waivers; and in addition, the Q has a special rule whereby 19 year olds who played on Q teams as an 18 year old are to be given a second chance elsewhere prior to being cut and buried in Junior A... I don't think FA's automatically go onto your 55 man list when you invite them to camp ... but maybe the 19 yr old ones do. We've had past camps where we had in excess of 60 guys in camp so obviously not all of them were on the list. I think FA's can simply sign a tryout card which holds their rights from other teams until they are signed or released (maybe an expiry date on that). And any FA's thet get cut don't have to go on waivers ... as Clinton did not ... but Billy's 55 man list shows him on the list. Your description of the 19 yr old waiver rule is the way I understand it too ... which should require Leduc, Judson, Ouimet and Mazzerole too all have to be placed on waivers at that deadline last Monday. I agree that anybody on the 55 man list must go on waivers to remove them from the list.
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